Help with Business assignment

[punk_downhiller]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Thanks guys, any responses will help greatly.

Cheers,

Josh

[Raw Toast Man]

lol :) im doing this project as well!
do you have to find out how the business runs aswell?

[T-Bone]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Thanks guys, any responses will help greatly.

Cheers,

Josh

1. Knowledge of the industry you are working in. As a manager you need to know the targets of your company and how to acheive those within the given industry. If you are looking for qualifications the MBA, Bachelor of Business Admin etc.... are great.

2. Depends on the level of management and what your future career aspirations are. Generally a good manager needs to work slightly longer than your 38hr week. The committment really comes when its the hard jobs such as firing someone, making big decisions that affect the company. Or worse, making decisions that adversely affect your staff which a manager will generally develop some kind of mutual mateship with. Its a catch 22, without some kind of commradery its difficult to get your staff to be cooperative and therefore productive. However, this causes conflicts when it comes to the hard calls.

3. Attitude of managers varies a huge amount. Everyone develops their own methods of management. I have had all different kinds of managers. From those who you fear, to those who are your best mate, those who never seem to show any emotion. There are ones to watch out for such as "the smiling assasin", this is a manager that is your best mate face to face, while he is dangling a dagger above your head at the same time. Attitudes of managers is as varied as people's personalities. A manager is generally a highly motivated person, confident yet seflish and willing to do what it takes to get his/her career. Type-A personalities generally do well as managers. If you need explanation of what a Type-A personality is let me know.

Hope this was the kind of info you are after. I could type all night but dont really feel like it. If you want more info I'm happy to help.

[Renegade]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Thanks guys, any responses will help greatly.

Cheers,

Josh

1. Generally you'll neeed a degree in business managing and/or planning of some sort.
2.Pretty much you are responsible for the business's employee's and overall output of the business.. so if the business is going bad.. guess who everyone points their finger to.
3.Well, obviously you will need to have a general interest for your business's productivity and overall peformance.. so you cannot make misleading statements to employee's or use un-ethical tactics to gain the total profit output.

Tried to help from my 1.5 years of business studies preliminary education:D

[punk_downhiller]

lol :) im doing this project as well!
do you have to find out how the business runs aswell?


yeah, all about span of control and departmentalisation and all that.

just need some general info on management.

thanks for the replies guys, keep em coming!

[Icarus]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Thanks guys, any responses will help greatly.

Cheers,

Josh

I'm writing a management assignment for Uni right now, so can't be arsed typing any more.
But here are some good books:

Bartol et al 2003, Management: A pacific rim Focus, Enhanced Edition, McGraw Hill Publishers.

Schaper M & Volery T 2004, Entrepreneurship and Small Business: A pacific rim Perspective, John Wiley & Sons Australia, Ltd.

Both books are good with plenty of Australian examples

EDIT: Heres my unfinished assignment. Wish me luck for tommorow. Mods can you please ban me for 12 hours? I have no self control!

[T-Bone]

1. Generally you'll neeed a degree in business managing and/or planning of some sort.
2.Pretty much you are responsible for the business's employee's and overall output of the business.. so if the business is going bad.. guess who everyone points their finger to.
3.Well, obviously you will need to have a general interest for your business's productivity and overall peformance.. so you cannot make misleading statements to employee's or use un-ethical tactics to gain the total profit output.

Tried to help from my 1.5 years of business studies preliminary education:D

Ah uni..... those were the days. Unfortunately the real world is nothing at all like the one portrayed whilst studying.

Un-ethical tactics.... dont get me started. I have seen emotional manipulation, gifts, inside info, and sex used to gain personal and business advantages. Never believe for one second that its all about what you know, to get ahead, its all about who you know and what you can do for them, or what they will do for you.

Ive managed in the building industry and computer industry (yes I know, very diverse) for years. Its a totally differenet mindset due to the nature of the business. I am now somewhere in the middle of an extremely heirarchical government organisation. The management tactics and styles are mind blowing in the stupidity they acheive. Totally incompetant people are promoted fast in order to get them out of the way and make them someone elses problem.

Business politics and therefore management are so complex its impossible to learn it in a book. This is something that only comes from experience.

[ajay]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?

Obviously knowledge of the industry he/she works in - Finacials, Liability, Coaching, Assessment, Risk Assessment, Performance Assessment, Goal setting, Planning, Implementation of Procedures, Follow up actions.... the list goes on.... and on........ and on.....

2. What level commitment is required of a manager?

A good manager must be 100% committed to everything he does. I mean everything!

3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Positive, assertive, approachable, leading and understanding.


Seriously, this such a massive topic...

[Raw Toast Man]

yeah, all about span of control and departmentalisation and all that.

just need some general info on management.

thanks for the replies guys, keep em coming!
LOL what school you at?
im at Kenmore high

[ScottD]

1. Generally you'll neeed a degree in business managing and/or planning of some sort.


Thats a load of bullshit. Your either born to be a manager or euntraprenuer or your not one at all. Degrees just teach you to over analyse stuff and by the time you get around to making to decision the oppurtunity has passed you.

At both my works theres 30 year olds etc who cant organise a root in a brothel so i get put in charge they dont like it but at least shit gets done.

Make sure you include the informational, interpersonal and decisional roles of a manager and expand on the key points in each of those areas.

[punk_downhiller]

LOL what school you at?
im at Kenmore high

John Paul College haha *awaits flaming* doing the subject BOM (business organisation management) quite an interesting subject, just this assignment is giving me the shits haha.

[Raw Toast Man]

John Paul College haha *awaits flaming* doing the subject BOM (business organisation management) quite an interesting subject, just this assignment is giving me the shits haha.

yeh its a fun subject! i go on mtbdirt and farkin and my friends are like omg your on that site agian :rolleyes:
john paul eh?
you no chris bell?

[T-Bone]

Thats a load of bullshit. Your either born to be a manager or euntraprenuer or your not one at all. Degrees just teach you to over analyse stuff and by the time you get around to making to decision the oppurtunity has passed you.



I totally agree. Degrees mean nothing at the end of the day. Someone with some intelligence and is business savvy will win out every time. Prefect example is to look at the Forbes rich list. Next to no one on that list has any formal qualifications. They are just highly driven and very good at what they do.

The majority of CEOs (the ultimate management position) dont have any degrees. Especially business admin etc degrees.

[ScottD]

''Wes Moxey began working with Riviera in 1982 in Research & Development building plugs and moulds and doing fit outs. Following his promotion to Production Manager in 1987 and General Manager in 1989, Wes took up the position of Managing Director in 1998. In October 2002, Wes was appointed Chief Executive Officer''

prime example right there

Also ever heard of data dot? those little paint on security ID things? he left school at the end of year 8.

[ajay]

You cant deny the benefit of an formal business qualification though. As savy as someone may be, its always good to learn the ins and outs of legalities etc, you're not born knowing that stuff.

But yes, some people are have the gift of the gaff, and some don't, thats definately not to say that latter cant be a great manager with the right training and/or experience, infact in would extremely closed minded to think otherwise.

[Renegade]

Thats a load of bullshit. Your either born to be a manager or euntraprenuer or your not one at all. Degrees just teach you to over analyse stuff and by the time you get around to making to decision the oppurtunity has passed you.

At both my works theres 30 year olds etc who cant organise a root in a brothel so i get put in charge they dont like it but at least shit gets done.

Make sure you include the informational, interpersonal and decisional roles of a manager and expand on the key points in each of those areas.

Ok mate.. whatever you say good sir.

[Binaural]

I totally agree. Degrees mean nothing at the end of the day. Someone with some intelligence and is business savvy will win out every time. Prefect example is to look at the Forbes rich list. Next to no one on that list has any formal qualifications. They are just highly driven and very good at what they do.

The majority of CEOs (the ultimate management position) dont have any degrees. Especially business admin etc degrees.

Where did you pull that dodgy stat from? I think you will find that the opposite is true, and that most company CEOs in Australia have relevant qualifications. Extrapolating backwards from the Forbes rich list is not a realistic representative of your average company management.

Thats a load of bullshit. Your either born to be a manager or euntraprenuer or your not one at all. Degrees just teach you to over analyse stuff and by the time you get around to making to decision the oppurtunity has passed you.

At both my works theres 30 year olds etc who cant organise a root in a brothel so i get put in charge they dont like it but at least shit gets done.

Make sure you include the informational, interpersonal and decisional roles of a manager and expand on the key points in each of those areas.

Just because your workplace hired a couple of idiots with degrees (not saying anything about you) is no reason to assume that all degrees are useless. The majority of engineers at my workplace have degrees and design, plan and deliver projects all over the world. I find your claim that a degree had made them indecisive and overanalytical pretty thin.

On that topic, the importance of managers who are both willing and capable of selecting good employees should be emphasized. A careful approach to hiring is one of the most useful organization-building skills a manager can have.

[Binaural]

Okay guys what I need is for anyone who is a manager of some sort to answer just a couple of questions.

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
3. What attitude is required of a manager?

Thanks guys, any responses will help greatly.

Cheers,

Josh

From my modest experiences of managing a team:

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
This question is too broad to answer succintly. I would say the most important is to stay on top of the financial side of the business. Obviously you should know your industry and its trends. Knowledge of contacts and industry figures is useful, and especially what any competitors are doing. There is obviously a lot more but I need to get some sleep :)

2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
Significantly more than your average worker. There is a strong correlation between income, seniority and hours worked in most industries. Not only do you need to work harder, you need to be seen to be working harder.

3. What attitude is required of a manager?
Depends on what kind of manager you are. If your job is to manage a call centre team, a sympathetic manner is required. If you are managing construction, then having a dominant personality is a plus. If you are selling mobile phones then a more flamboyant sales-oriented attitude will work well. Really good managers can adapt their style to what is needed.

[fatboy247]

Thats a load of bullshit. Your either born to be a manager or euntraprenuer or your not one at all. Degrees just teach you to over analyse stuff and by the time you get around to making to decision the oppurtunity has passed you..

Couldn't have said it better myself!

I went to uni but it teaches nothing about the real world, and it is usually the person who went to uni and just barely passed who says "you won't make it in this world without a degree"

What a load of shit! i grew up in a house where my parents own 4 businesses and didn't go past grade 10, now being around people like that will prepare you to be a manager not sitting in a lecture theatre!!!!!!!!

[EastsideZero]

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager? Being a brownnose,a suck, and to be able to talk crap to your to the GM.

2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
Be absolutely committed to palm off as much of your work as possible to underlings.

3. What attitude is required of a manager?
Arrogance, pigheadedness, always being right even if it can be proven that you're wrong.


Every manager i have ever worked with that has come straight from a uni degree has been totally useless. The best managers start at the bottom and work thier way up to management. They actually have some idea how things work in the real world.

Recommended study- Roney Dangerfeld, Back to School.

[murrum]

You forgot

1. What knowledge is required to be a manager? Being a brownnose,a suck, and to be able to talk crap to your to the GM.

The ability to shift blame seamlessly


2. What level commitment is required of a manager?
Be absolutely committed to palm off as much of your work as possible to underlings.

Full commitment to the bastardisation of the english language and the use of meaningless jargon and phrases such as "moving forward" "top down" "leading edge" "solutions oriented" and other such guff

3. What attitude is required of a manager?
Arrogance, pigheadedness, always being right even if it can be proven that you're wrong.

general psychopathic tendencies

[punk_downhiller]

thanks for all the responses guys...

just one more question:

1. As managers, which management theories do you employ?

[scblack]

Fuck me dead there is some dribble in here.:rolleyes:

It is pretty clear there is a few people who want to make out as though they are actually managers.

I have the equivalent of three degrees, and I am the FIRST person who will tell you, once you leave the gates of the university, you must stand on your own two feet and move forward from there. A degree of course grounds you in the field, but it is simply a foot in the door. Once you are sitting at the desk, your actions and decisions from that date on will determine your future. People who actually believe that having a degree means you gets promotions have their head shoved firmly WAY up their arse.

A number of people in here have difficulties with having others telling them what to do, and imagine they can do better.

OK, to answer the question:
1. 1. What knowledge is required to be a manager?
Knowledge of the business, and the industry. But the most important ability is to see the BIGGER PICTURE. Not simply HOW do we do this task, but WHY do we need to at all. What does your department do? What are the goals of the business? MANY interlinked factors.

2. 2. What level commitment is required of a manager?

Binaural's will do me fine:
Significantly more than your average worker. There is a strong correlation between income, seniority and hours worked in most industries. Not only do you need to work harder, you need to be seen to be working harder.


3. What attitude is required of a manager?
Enthusiasm would be the most important attitude I think. Without being enthusiastic, the best knowledge, skills or people skills will mean VERY LITTLE.


I am going to say one thing - Binaural has put some good points in here. punk_downhiller, if you want a decent asignment you could do well to read his posts.;)

[punk_downhiller]

Thanks for all the responses guys, especially the serious and in depth ones (e.g. Binaural - thanks heaps mate, your info helped a lot, and I made sure to reference all the information I got from you)

Just finished up my assignment then, and have it ready to hand in tomorrow.

I'll let you all know how I went when i get my results back.