No hard feelings, but what's going on guys?

[Pearso]

Ok guys, I'm a skater. My mate mountain bikes, so that's how I know about this forum, and I just wanted to come on and ask you guys a question. I've been skating for a year, so obviously I've seen and witnessed my own fair share of skater-bmx hating. I know there's obviously two sides to the story, so I'd like to get yours. Why do you guys hate us so much? I'm not going to be ignorant and just say you guys run us over and snake us all the time, because it's too much of a coincedance for all bmxers to be dicks, so what are the things you guys have against us?

[dh and dj rules]

please excuse pearso, he has hit his head on the coping a few too many times;) ;)

[Pearso]

Ok, your first little nudge from management. We don't use fag, or any other homophobic or racist crap on this site. Neither do we use MSN/SMS type speach here. Please refrain from doing so yourself.

johnny

[dcrofty]

Hey dude,

welcome to Farkin.

I'm not a BMX'er so feel free to ignore what I say.

Seems to me that there are very few places where MTB people who want to ride street and skate park stuff can ride so they have to use skate parks which causes conflict. Skaters feel that 'their' parks are getting invaded and MTB's just want a place to ride. Leads to conflict I reckon.

anyway enough of my ramblings, I'll let the dudes who know what they are talking speak.

Glad that you took the initiative to get on here to talk about the situation thought.

[@nDr3w]

Here we go......
Personally I don't hate you.
I'm sure most people on this site don't hate you.
Hell, I could go so far as to say MOST PEOPLE don't hate you.
But.
Piss off.



Not the right place

[DYJK]

maybe if skaters learnt more to just role up banks. and actually air...then it would be good...because as far as it goes for skaters i dont respect any bar the ones that actually know how to skate. not the small kiddy posers in their voice raising jeans.

[johnny]

I think you'll find that most dudes here don't mind a skate themselves and are quite respectful of some of the crazy shit you dudes pull on your planks!

As for skarepark ettiquete, we all fark up every now and then.

Anyone who does buy into this "Sk8trZ r D1kZorZ" are teh dickzorz themselves. Sport is sport, who gives a shit who does what.

Live and let rip I say.



Note to all posting in thsi thread; it will be watched closely and any idiocy will be greated with a big stick full of nails and screws...., sure it has "banned" written on it somewhere underneath all the pointy hardware....;)

[monkeyonabike]

things we have against you
1, smart ass comments when we are at the skate park eg "this is a skate park not a bike park"
2, acting like we only snake skaters (i know it sounds impossible, but skaters can snake people too:) )
3, the "them and us attitude"
baiscally the being dicks thing doesnt only go one way, skaters can be farking annyoing too. alot of skaters are pretty nice guys but its the small percentage of bmxers and skaters that make the problems

[floody]

Skateparks are public spaces, I don't care if its a BMX, mtb, skateboard, razor or fruitbooter, or what they do really - if someone gets in your way, meh, roll in again.

[Samy]

Hey Johnny, do you recieve "Teeny Post Alert" SMS's?

[x]

Hmmm...

Ok, you are asking 'what do bmxers have against skaters?'. Fair question I suppose. I myself can't really complain too much about skaters, because my local is supposed to be a non-bike park. Fortunately skaters usually don't care too much when we ride there, as long as we pay respect and don't cut them off etc. When we do, we usually get shouted at or something of the likes.

I think the reason many bmxers don't like skaters is because of their attitude, and many skaters go around thinking they are really hardcore. Though I guess I'm being quite stereotypical there, because many of the skaters are fine and I get on well/ok with some of them.

In the end we all go to the skate park for the same reason, to have fun. We both like to get air, we both like to grind, etc. Both skaters and bmxers need to come to terms with this and learn to deal with each other.

[Pearso]

Here we go......
Personally I don't hate you.
I'm sure most people on this site don't hate you.
Hell, I could go so far as to say MOST PEOPLE don't hate you.
But.
Piss off.



Not the right place

Don't get me wrong buddy, I don't plan on sticking around once this thread is dead and buried, I have my own forum that I spend countless hours wasting on:p Thanks to those that have replied and actually helped what I wanted to know. I admit, skaters go over the top a lot of the time, and it's a bit hypocritical when they continually cut you guys off, but we are all there for one reason, and it's to do what we enjoy. There's a few people who ride BMX and MTB at my local, and they're good fellas, and friends of mine, then just the other day, this group of kids my age rocked up and just rode on the ramps continuously, not doing anything and not giving anyone a turn. One of the kids blocked me as I was going to ollie off this drop, but I just wanted to know why we all can't co exist like the decent guys I spoke about before. Anyway, thanks guys. Anymore replies reminding me of how we've been dicks to you guys is welcomed :D


EDIT: ahh the guy above me took the words out of my mouth... lol damn I shouldn't post such long messages next time.

[johnny]

maybe if skaters learnt more to just role up banks. and actually air...then it would be good...because as far as it goes for skaters i dont respect any bar the ones that actually know how to skate. not the small kiddy posers in their voice raising jeans.Pretty sure both MTB and BMX has the same type of idiots too dude.....

[Ruckus_Lord]

Well to be honest I just couldn't be bothered reading others replies at the moment; So excuse me if this has been said;

It's a whole thing of "what goes around comes around", at my local, skaters seem to feel because of the name "skatepark", it can only be ridden by skaters only, BMXers/MTBers then react to this as these facilites should be enjoyed by bikers and skaters alike.

Basically, I try and be courtious at skateparks, not to snake peoples lines, but no matter how carefull you are, it's going to happen now and then, people need to learn to chill the fuck out when it does happen and not spit the dummy, i get snaked by skaters heaps and don't have a hissy fit about it, i think a lot of them really do just go out of their way to make a big deal because a biker did something they didn't like.

Saying that, I have come across some cool skaters, generally the older fellows, who are usually nice blokes to talk to; In most cases it's the spray on jeans, dress like a girl younger skaters who think they're all that go mouthing off at bikers. If you treat bikers with respect, you'll be treated with respect in return, really isn't that hard to work out!

[x]

Anyone who notices the resemblance of my post to a magazine article, yes some if it it from memory from that article (rideuk?). Just trying to give some more answers to this guys question..

More often than not, you see/feel a skaters board flying across the skatepark aimlessly with no rider. How often do you see a bike do this?

Another thing about skaters is that they often think they 'own' the park. ("it's a SKATEpark!!!!!!!!")

As bmxers/mtbers at the park can be stereotypical of skaters (saying "they are all weed-smoking, loud-mouthed, cutting-offing n00bs!!!11!"), skaters can also be a bit stereotypical of bmxers. As some skaters create a bad impresssion of all skaters to us, some bmxers creater a bad impression of all bmxers to you.

[DH_co]

people need to learn to chill the fuck out when it does happen and not spit the dummy, i get snaked by skaters heaps and don't have a hissy fit about it,


For example, my mate got snaked by a skater and the skater had to bail, and had a huge winge. Got so freaking angry. We all had a good laugh at him which made the situation even worse but meh.

[dcrofty]

We all had a good laugh at him which made the situation even worse but meh.

So very helpful.

MTB and BMX guys need to check the thread on here about the US where BMX'ers get arrested for riding skate parks and realise how lucky they are to be able to ride parks here and possibly pull a few heads in.

Edit http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=82957&highlight=arrested

[bmx]

i normally don't dis-like skaters. alot of my mates are skaters. its only when you get snaked by one, or snake one and act like dicks, thats whent he shit happens. i feel bad when i snake someone, MTB or skater, or bmxer, and i always apologise. and if they want to be dicks, then be it so. but if they then start purposely start snaking the bmxers, then shit happens.

but i dunno about the east side of australia, one thing that annoys me about skaters is the fashion is to wear a shoe-lace instead of a belt, and find the biggest white t-shirt avaliable:rolleyes:

[i like dirt]

I use to skate a while ago and you get over getting snaked. I always use to get snaked because I went to parks that mainly had bmxs. Get the usual crap from them but you just learn to ignore it and get on with what you enjoy doing.

my 2c

[shmeado]

yeah.. the only skaters i dislike at some little 10yr olds that ride at my local. They think they're top shit. Its just annoying trying to ride with them constantly dropping in on you (my local isn'tvery big, basically only 1 person at a time :( ).

that is all.

[barcelona]

i hate it when:
-skaters "accidentally" let their boards roll across the park in front of BMXers
-skaters do stupid piontless flatbank tricks that they could do with out the skatpark.
-skaters that say your not allowed to ride a BMX in here.
-skaters that snake BMXers.

i like it when:
-skaters snap their boards
-skaters stack

jesse

[francis]

Ok, your first little nudge from management. We don't use fag, or any other homophobic or racist crap on this site. Neither do we use MSN/SMS type speach here. Please refrain from doing so yourself.

johnny

get over it tool i know its a rule but he just said hes new and hes only here to ask a question, he skates

[dcrofty]

get over it tool i know its a rule but he just said hes new and hes only here to ask a question, he skates

Might I suggest that you didn't really mean to say that and that you might consider editing it?

[RCOH]

i hate it when:
-skaters "accidentally" let their boards roll across the park in front of BMXers
-skaters do stupid piontless flatbank tricks that they could do with out the skatpark.
-skaters that say your not allowed to ride a BMX in here.
-skaters that snake BMXers.

i like it when:
-skaters snap their boards
-skaters stack

jesse

BMXers who "accidentally" don't look to see if anyone else is on the park before dropping in
BMXers who do stupid, pointless not-quite-180 bunnyhops 1/2 way up a ttransition or flatbank
BMXers who don't look where they are going & hit skaters. Guess who comes off second best?
BMXers who drop in/snake & ruin lines, causing skater to bail because they don't want to get hurt.
BMX pegs dent coping, can gouge concrete, crack tiles & put holes in wooden ramps

[Ruckus_Lord]

get over it tool i know its a rule but he just said hes new and hes only here to ask a question, he skates

If he signed to this site then he agree'd to the rules, they are in place for a reason, and just because he's new doesn't let him off; Johnny, being the kind fellow he is, edited his post and gave him a tap on the wrist, and unlike Ryan who would have banned him all the way to Hong Kong and put a hunting knife through his temple.

Might I suggest that you didn't really mean to say that and that you might consider editing it?

Too late now....


What RCOH said is true; There needs to be co-operation from both parties, it's all just a bit of common courtasy (Sp?), accidental snaking does happen, it's pritty friggin' hard to avoid; Example, i had been waiting to drop in for about 10 minutes, skaters could see it and where just being inconsiderate, I saw an opening and went to drop in when a skater made a sharp move in my direction, I did my best to miss him and slightly clipped him, and although it wasn't by bad, i apologised anyway; Later on I went to drop in again and he kicked his skateboard at my bike and said "fucken bikers", anyway, not the easiest thing to let slide. Pritty much as I said before, a lot of skaters need to harden the fuck up, stop being such little fairies when they get a little bit of a tap, it's no big deal, get on with it!

[leitch]

i will qualify drews statement above with one of my own examples about skaters being good guys.

i was riding at a local park, went and aired this hip, and as i landed i jumped on the brakes to avoid hitting this skater who was coming out infront of me. my brake (shitty hayes mech) cable fucked up and i had no brakes, and rode straight into the guy. to the guys merit, unlike many other skaters, he got up, took my apology, dusted himself off and kept skating.

so pretty much, there will always be fuckwit skaters. there will always be fuckwit bmxers, and there will always be fuckwit MTBers. i think you just have to take it as it comes - dont judge people on what their cohort are like, judge them on what they are like themselves.

enough of this "bmxers are wankers" or "skaters are wankers" bullshit, lets all rag on fruitbooters instead :rolleyes:

[cdfeto]

One thing though: riders, especially mountain bikers, should be more aware and careful whilst riding at a skatepark as a collision with a bike can be quite dangerous.

[Pearso]

enough of this "bmxers are wankers" or "skaters are wankers" bullshit, lets all rag on fruitbooters instead :rolleyes:
Can't forget the annoying scooter kids.:p

[Rob 616]

I reckon its just teenagers and stuff being competitive or just thinking they are cool cause they can cut off someone younger or smaller than they are.

[barcelona]

BMXers who "accidentally" don't look to see if anyone else is on the park before dropping in
BMXers who do stupid, pointless not-quite-180 bunnyhops 1/2 way up a ttransition or flatbank
BMXers who don't look where they are going & hit skaters. Guess who comes off second best?
BMXers who drop in/snake & ruin lines, causing skater to bail because they don't want to get hurt.
BMX pegs dent coping, can gouge concrete, crack tiles & put holes in wooden ramps

i don't know how you ride your bike in a skatepark but it seems your prety shit at it if you do all this stuff

[i like dirt]

Can't forget the annoying scooter kids.:p

My god how I despise scooter kids. Just want to strangle all of them.

[Mr_hANky]

skaters piss me off casue every time i go to the skate park they sit on all the lines and just talk. Most of the time theirs just one of them skating one line doing these half assed attempts at a trick or grind or sumthing, where as the others just sit all over the park being smart arses.

I got sick and tired off it a few weeks ago, and just snapped some kids board that was being a smart arse to everyone and put it in the bin. he was complaining about how much it cost but he didnt even use it.

the problem is most skaters are in their early teens, have no respect for anyone and arent mature enough to think about where they are sitting or being curtious. Thats why early teens arent allowed their liscence

[@nDr3w]

I got sick and tired off it a few weeks ago, and just snapped some kids board that was being a smart arse to everyone and put it in the bin.

Wow. Bet that worked pretty well in the way of settling your differences.

[Archi]

ters piss me off casue every time i go to the skate park they sit on all the lines and just talk. Most of the time theirs just one of them skating one line doing these half assed attempts at a trick or grind or sumthing, where as the others just sit all over the park being smart arses.

I got sick and tired off it a few weeks ago, and just snapped some kids board that was being a smart arse to everyone and put it in the bin. he was complaining about how much it cost but he didnt even use it.

the problem is most skaters are in their early teens, have no respect for anyone and arent mature enough to think about where they are sitting or being curtious. Thats why early teens arent allowed their liscence



oh the irony.

the problem is most skaters are in their early teens, have no respect for anyone and arent mature enough to think about where they are sitting or being curtious. Thats why early teens arent allowed their liscence

same could be said for most users of a skate park, no matter what they ride.

.....as evident by some people posting in this thread

[arpit]

I got sick and tired off it a few weeks ago, and just snapped some kids board that was being a smart arse to everyone and put it in the bin. he was complaining about how much it cost but he didnt even use it.


Hmm, You seem a little annoying...
Maybe we can meet up sometime. Surely you won't mind me using these on your bike...
http://www.aransascountyems.com/JAWS1a.jpg

I mean, here you are, posting on a forum, not even riding! You don't use your bike.

[Disturbed.Rider]

Though I don't have a specific stance on this as my local is predominatly bikes and when there are skaters there they only ride the street section while we session the bowl and vice verse.

But the other day we were riding at a diferant park to usual and it was pretty deserted so we had the run of for liek half an hour. We were sitting around (on the designated resting fecility) when 2 (oldschool boardies and shirtless) skaters rocked up and started skating so we went and bought some Jesus juice (powerade) and when we came back the skaters were sitting in the designated resting fecility and seeing as how they didnt look too friendly we started riding again.
No sooner had my mate hit the hip did he have a plank belting him around the midsection.


Whats going on man?

[karlfaith]

Hmm, You seem a little annoying...
Maybe we can meet up sometime. Surely you won't mind me using these on your bike...
http://www.aransascountyems.com/JAWS1a.jpg

I mean, here you are, posting on a forum, not even riding! You don't use your bike.

what is the tool (third from the bottom) used for?
Actually, what is it?

[xander1]

i think the biggest thing in riding park is respect. you pay respect where respect is due. i dont think little kids who can barely stand on a skateboard should be allowed there. learn to skate on a flat surface like your street or something. if a skater lands somethin awesome ill give him a clap or congratulate him. when you get to a park you check out whoever is there to see what they can do, whether they are bmxers mtb riders or skaters. who is good will get the most respect in the park and so they should. im not saying drop in on little kids who arent as good as everyone else. im just saying give some respect to those who deserve it and they will return it to you. and if you are learning to ride park and are a beginner, expect to wait your turn there if it is busy. or go there early on weekend mornings. that way all the good riders and skaters are at home sleeping off hangovers and you will have the park to yourself to do whatever you want. respect.
xander

[Venciferus]

Ahhhh after reading all this, our skatepark seems like heaven, it seriously is great, everyone just rides and chills and all the guys that ride there are mates, skaters, bmx'er, mtb'ers all mates (and the bmx'ers and mtb'ers are always pushing each other to new levels). I guess that's an advantage of a small-ish town, you know everyone.

[pixelpuppet]

I tell you what it is, It's bloody ridiculous. I don't go to a skatepark with the mentality that I'm on a bmx and you're on a skateboard and we have to piss eachother off, it's so lame. The other week I was at Fairy Meadow Skate Park in Wollongong on a 24" Specialized Vegas and I hit the main area, I roll through, pull a lame little whip which I balls up and some skater starts mouthing off that I shouldn't be in there and that I got in his way! This little twerp had rolled in front of me when I was at full speed toward the hip, I know he saw me as they were watching me since I arrived. That's how lame it's getting, that he intentionally rolled out in front of me so that he could start an argument with me in front of his mates. Bear in mind that I was there alone and he was there with about 7 mates which was obviously the courage he needed.
I don't know what it is, I agree that it's only a small minority of people that seem to declare war between skaters and bmx but I've noticed that more often that not it's the skaters that start being aggresive. I'm not biased, I used to skate a lot myself but I just don't understand it, too much teenage angst these days, too much "I have to be cool and tough in front of mates". I'm not an aggressive kind of person, I observe skate park etiquette and I know what a bike can do should I hit someone by accident so yeah I'm careful, especially with young skaters around.
Then again, if you're the skater that mouthed off to the 6ft2" guy at Manly Skate Bowl a few months ago and he threw your little wheeled plank in the lake in front of you and your mates: Go fuck yourself.

[arpit]

what is the tool (third from the bottom) used for?
Actually, what is it?

It's a hydraulic ram. The tools shown are used to get people out of cars when the crash (vehicle extrication).

The tools are quite versatile.

The bottom tool , the spreader, might be used to remove the door from a car in seconds, if you use it in the hinge area, or can be used to open the window frames.

You might use the cutters, to, say, cut a steering wheel or cut the pedals in case a casualty is caught in them. You might also use them to cut the vertical pillars on a car to remove the roof.

The ram is a pushing tool. It isn't used as much, but is still useful . In a crash, the front of the car, including the dashboard, will sometimes roll over the casualty. The ram is used (with relief cuts) to push the dashboard back to free the casualty's legs.


You might use the cutters to cut the top tube of a bmx and the spreaders to rip apart the chainstays. The ram would probably be useless. You might also use a sabre saw (another rescue tool, used, for example, to extricate a casualty whose head is trapped Ina windscreen) to finish the job.

[rhysrhysbaby]

there are people that dont deserve to live riding bmx and also skateboards, so really the problems that people are pointing out arent specific to each activity.
people just need to learn to watch lines and apologise if they snake someone else and not get real stressed about it.
the main thing i hate about both bmx and skateboarders is those that ride skateparks with headphones on. how antisocial and 'too cool' do you want to be.

[RCOH]

i don't know how you ride your bike in a skatepark but it seems your prety shit at it if you do all this stuff

I have been on this forum nearly 4 years & this is the stupidist "sentence" ever posted.

[Adrian]

I have been on this forum nearly 4 years & this is the stupidist "sentence" ever posted.



Ohhhh....... SNAP.

[DJ1wheel]

Yeah this thread just made us all look like farkin tools, and some of us dont need that much help.

[johnny]

i don't know how you ride your bike in a skatepark but it seems your prety shit at it if you do all this stuffYo Einstein. Ever consider that he is the one on the skateboard, not the bike?

RCOH doesn't even own a BMX dude. Pay a little more attention before you mouth off and you won't look like such a clown next time.


I don't think this thread is really serving much purpose anymore. It's going to turn into a shit fight soon, so I think we'll leave it at that. If anyone has any legitimate issues with me locking this up, fire me off a PM and I'll consider re-opening it depending on what it is you want to say.