bighits...

[janjuc]

with bighits, can u put a 26" on the back?.. i'm thinkin 4 future reasons 2 get rid of the p3 and keep all da parts and move them 2 a bighit or sumthing...

but yer... :? i'm abit confussed

[janjuc]

just adding on wot i've said... is their enuf room 4 a 26" wheel @ da back?... i'm just wondering

[Commander Dilsnikk]

nope... 24" wheel only

[peachy]

yeah you can but i think u need to change the rear swingarm, linkages or something arather

[janjuc]

and wotz the advantages of havin a 24" rear? make the bike stand up more? stronger?

[Wattsy]

the wheel is stronger cauz the spokes r shorter, not sure of anyother reasons

[Commander Dilsnikk]

a 24" will be stronger but this is not really an advantage you're looking for on a long-travel duallie...

it is my opinion (note: this is heresay, summised by me) that the 24" wheel was added on the bike because, as a consequence of their particularly long frame design, they needed to shorten the stays to create a manouverable bike....
i feel that it's more of a "band-aid" solution to a problem which would be better rectified by changing the frame design...

prepare for people to disagree with me, though...

[janjuc]

thats 'farkin' ( get it, i dont :S) lol nar but yer thats fuckin shit

[peachy]

some people love the big hits for their 24inch rear wheels and some other people don't like change

[Commander Dilsnikk]

lol nar but yer thats fuckin shit

not necessarily a "problem" as such... it just creates a bike which is more laid back with a longer TT length and better suited to the proverbial "freeriding" than to serious DH racing... but, lets face it, we all "freeride" a lot more than we race so Specialized has found a winner and is sticking to it

[Dee-Lux04]

the 24" rear also means that it can accelerate faster.......but it can sometimes..(very hard to notice) get stuck in the smaller gaps..other than that it's prettty damn awsome

[Daver]

actually, goldtech in the uk make a longer seatstay that allows a normal wheel, and i rode a bighit with 1 and it was amazing, soo much better than the stupid 24" wheel

[janjuc]

i dont mean 2 be mean, or put across the rong this here but arhh.. i dont think i'll go2 uk just 2 get a 26" wheel on the back, i'll get a stab or sumthing like that then

[Daver]

yeah, but if u did u would actually have a worthwhile bighit!!!

[janjuc]

lol... yer i no, well by wot ur tellin me neway

[Oli7000]

I think it may be possible to squeeze one in but you would have to run very small tires.

Someone i know wanted to put 26" wheels on a 250. They just fitted. Aparently.

[kalem]

http://www.betd.co.uk/acatalog/BETD_SHOP_Specialized_Upgrades_2.html
http://www.betd.co.uk/acatalog/DSCF2725.JPG

[Rik]

I think it may be possible to squeeze one in but you would have to run very small tires.


Just a continuation of that, I've fit 26" wheels in a 24" bmx frame, you have to use 1.9/2.1 tyres, and there isn't much clearance, plus it'll bork the angles a little bit, maybe nor noticeably. Definately not the best option.

[Jordy]

just get a different dually frame to a big hit then the 24 inch problem will go away :lol: there are alot better frames around then big hits

[dhd]

yeah what he said......and who wants a 1.9 or a 2.1 tyre on a DH bike?......hello Mr pinchflat!

[janjuc]

i'm not that f'ing stupid lol... well pretty close, but meh

[Malty]

why don't you save up the extra bucks and get a demo 9 im pretty sure they can have 26 and 24 inch wheels on them

[smooth]

Iv got a big hit and personally i love th 24in if i had the choice id still keep it.
Its a double track and iv had it for near on a year and still havnt had to get it trued, its not like it dosnt get thrashed either im 88kg and can do anything at red hill(including the 12 ftr at the entrance /lizard rock (sept for the a line at lizard)

[notb4dinner]

I think it may be possible to squeeze one in but you would have to run very small tires.

Someone i know wanted to put 26" wheels on a 250. They just fitted. Aparently.
I'm running that setup at the moment, there's plenty of room as long as you don't want to run 2.7's or something crazy.

On a dually you would have to check clearence throughout the travel.

[janjuc]

i'm definatly not gonna get a demo 9 frankly 'coz i would use it enuf, but just wondering, how much r they.. like roughly?

[kranked]

the demo pro is 6500 and the demo dh is like 8500,

ive got a bighit expert and having the 24 inch wheel, means its stronger yes but allows u to accelerate heeps faster through slower corners and makes the rear heeps more active,

some people love it and others hate it, ride one to make ur own opinion,

that stuff that commander dilsnick said was crap, specialized went for a change to make their bikes ride faster, and give them a diff ride to work with their allready famous 4 bar FSR design.

nuff said.

[Commander Dilsnikk]

that stuff that commander dilsnick said was crap, specialized went for a change to make their bikes ride faster, and give them a diff ride to work with their allready famous 4 bar FSR design.

might want to check up on that one, champ :wink:

[kranked]

all i'm saying is i wouldnt think that specialized would stuff up a frame design and then say, wat they hell, lets make the rear wheel smaller.

[kranked]

they did it for a purpose, and i suppose some like it and others dont,

personal riding taste, but i would agree with it not being a world cup winning bike mainly coz a 26 inch wheels goes faster then a smaller one.

[Commander Dilsnikk]

all i'm saying is i wouldnt think that specialized would stuff up a frame design and then say, wat they hell, lets make the rear wheel smaller.

i didn't say they stuffed it up, mate
i said that in order to increase TT length and create a more comfortable, easy riding bike on the flats and up hills, they had to make the compromise at the rear end IMHO
the bike was designed to fulfill a lot of different functions for a lot of different people and, as such, there were a few compromises

i'm not bagging it, mate, just explaining some of its quirks

[kranked]

yeh yeh i understand, i just think the 24 was for other reasons to that,

but at least u can manual better at 50k's down a hill easier like a nut and have everyone watch ya LOL

they did something right

[S.]

the demo pro is 6500 and the demo dh is like 8500,

ive got a bighit expert and having the 24 inch wheel, means its stronger yes but allows u to accelerate heeps faster through slower corners and makes the rear heeps more active,

some people love it and others hate it, ride one to make ur own opinion,

that stuff that commander dilsnick said was crap, specialized went for a change to make their bikes ride faster, and give them a diff ride to work with their allready famous 4 bar FSR design.

nuff said.

You won't accelerate much faster through corners if you've adjusted your gearing properly, and it won't do shit for making the rear "heeps more active".

[kranked]

i found manualing and mono's etc heeps easier on the 24 obviously coz of the smaller wheel, the balance point is heeps easier

[jays_5000]

I found with big hits, it feels like I am having to sort of lean back while I'm riding because the whole front end is too close.

The 24" is easy to wheelie, but I couldn't notice the difference in manualing between it and a DH-i.

I can't notice any faster acceleration either, there's a gap here with a moderatly small run in and on the Big Hit I can't even get the back wheel off the flat because of lack of speed.

[kranked]

ok ok dont have an episode, i just heard concepts like that from some specialized dealers etc so they must no something.

strength
simple physics about the smaller wheel being easier to turn = acceleration.
elements relating to the FSR design.

anyway, i'm spent, ride on!!!

[kranked]

talking to socket not jays.

cheerze

[kranked]

LOL i think we've got to the point where no one gives a crap, this thread is past its used by date.

ride wat u wanna ride.

[S.]

i found manualing and mono's etc heeps easier on the 24 obviously coz of the smaller wheel, the balance point is heeps easier

That's not because of the 24" wheel.

[kranked]

thats great

[admin edit: yet another useless post by you, knock it off]

[S.]

ok ok dont have an episode, i just heard concepts like that from some specialized dealers etc so they must no something.

strength
simple physics about the smaller wheel being easier to turn = acceleration.
elements relating to the FSR design.

anyway, i'm spent, ride on!!!

Ya, they know how to twist your mind so that you want to buy their bikes. They're salesmen, not physicists.

Strength isn't something you can easily determine without a) knowing ALL the variables (incredibly hard) or b) testing to destruction.

The smaller wheel will be slightly easier to turn, but not a huge amount - especially given that Specialized don't tend to go for particularly light rims anyway. I would hedge a bet that in a blind test, you couldn't tell the difference.

Elements relating to FSR design = blanket statements = marketing hype = not much use.

[Daver]

ok ok dont have an episode, i just heard concepts like that from some specialized dealers etc so they must no something.

strength
simple physics about the smaller wheel being easier to turn = acceleration.
elements relating to the FSR design.

anyway, i'm spent, ride on!!!

that is the biggest load o shit i have ever heard.

Commander dilsnick (or wateva- soz i have a prob. with names) hit the nail right on the head, and thats actually what specialised admitted when building the bighits.

Also, it was Horst Leitener or wateva who designed and patented the link, and it's first use was on the amp research line, which specialised bought out, and the amp proved the basis for the fsr xc line.

[kranked]

ive also heard this stuff in magazines (mtb action and one other) about the why the 24 wheel but i would assume their are many explantions good and bad.

ow well, each to their own but norco, iron horse, intense, seem to like the FSR technology.

when i break my rear end i'll think about it more.

[Commander Dilsnikk]

ive also heard this stuff in magazines (mtb action and one other) about the why the 24 wheel but i would assume their are many explantions good and bad.

ow well, each to their own but norco, iron horse, intense, seem to like the FSR technology.

when i break my rear end i'll think about it more.

look mate, please stop taking everything that myself, daver and socket say as an attack on you and/ or your bike!!!

sure, you may have read some stuff in MBA and all power to you for that, but they say that a little knowledge is worse than none at all. keep that in mind

we have explained to you that the main reason Specialized put the 24" rear wheel on the BigHits was to shorten the rear end of the bike to compensate for the overly long front end. the reason for this front end design was to create a bike which could be used for a wide range of applications and feel comfortable in them for as many people as possible.

this in no way reflects badly on Specialized as they, like any company, are after the biggest share of the market they can find and if they can do this with one frame design (thus reducing R&D, etc. costs) then they are on to a winner.

nor, however, should you assume that the 24" wheel will be better because Specialized and MBA are able to throw a lot of marketing mumbo-jumbo at you and convince you that it is. sure it may have its benefits, it certainly has its weaknesses. this is not the point you should be arguing. the point that we have been trying to make is, that whether it's better or worse for the type of riding you will be doing, it wasn't put on there because it would last longer or turn quicker... but to create a truly all-round frame. As Daver said... Specialized themselves admitted this fact.

As for the FSR/ Horst-Link comment... Daver was pointing out that Specialized bought the licencing to the design, they didn't design it themselves. Nowhere did he say that it was no good.

Mate. Give it a rest. We're not having a go at you or your bike. As you said a long time ago. The "argument" is over.

[dazonic]

OEM wheels suck the dick anyway. I've got a DH and my rear 24" wheel was fucked on the 3rd ride.

[Daver]

ive also heard this stuff in magazines (mtb action and one other) about the why the 24 wheel but i would assume their are many explantions good and bad.

ow well, each to their own but norco, iron horse, intense, seem to like the FSR technology.

when i break my rear end i'll think about it more.

look mate, please stop taking everything that myself, daver and socket say as an attack on you and/ or your bike!!!

sure, you may have read some stuff in MBA and all power to you for that, but they say that a little knowledge is worse than none at all. keep that in mind

we have explained to you that the main reason Specialized put the 24" rear wheel on the BigHits was to shorten the rear end of the bike to compensate for the overly long front end. the reason for this front end design was to create a bike which could be used for a wide range of applications and feel comfortable in them for as many people as possible.

this in no way reflects badly on Specialized as they, like any company, are after the biggest share of the market they can find and if they can do this with one frame design (thus reducing R&D, etc. costs) then they are on to a winner.

nor, however, should you assume that the 24" wheel will be better because Specialized and MBA are able to throw a lot of marketing mumbo-jumbo at you and convince you that it is. sure it may have its benefits, it certainly has its weaknesses. this is not the point you should be arguing. the point that we have been trying to make is, that whether it's better or worse for the type of riding you will be doing, it wasn't put on there because it would last longer or turn quicker... but to create a truly all-round frame. As Daver said... Specialized themselves admitted this fact.

As for the FSR/ Horst-Link comment... Daver was pointing out that Specialized bought the licencing to the design, they didn't design it themselves. Nowhere did he say that it was no good.

Mate. Give it a rest. We're not having a go at you or your bike. As you said a long time ago. The "argument" is over.

'nuff said

[chandler_mate]

well now that all that is over
does anyone want to buy a bighit because im selling one
check out the for sale section

[S.]

well now that all that is over
does anyone want to buy a bighit because im selling one
check out the for sale section

Yes, actually I do. But because you spammed in a non buy/sell forum, I'm not going to buy YOURS.

[kranked]

holy crap commander wateva, i was saying my opinion, u where saying urs, chill out. i neva thought u where "having a go at me and my bike LOL", like i said ages ago when i stopped caring, each to their own.
nuff said

u would be a good public speaker.

[kranked]

now that thats over i'd say thats an awsome argument.
cheerze to everyone who contributed their opinion.

ride on.

[janjuc]

well.... wotz the same as a bighit comp, except not specialized... sumthing like a frm125 or a stinky:?, i dont no but yer...

[kranked]

man i dont want to be biased but my bro has a bighit comp and it is an awesome bike. for some entry DH/freeride it kicks, and for 4X and jumping etc it is KING.

maybe u might want to look at the norco range for a similar bike.

[Cave Dweller]

I heard Specialized are designing a 26inch FSR bighit at the moment for racing so that may be out soonish.

I personally don't like 24inch wheels, mainly due to limited tire and rim choice, and it puts you derailer and disk closer to the ground.

PS Janjuc, write your post's in english, they are f$#king hard to read.

[janjuc]

merh.. i'm over it now

[MadMatt]

I`m not,,,

i`ve got a Big hit & i just love it!!!!!!!!

it`s Supremo Lusho,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!

i`ve got other DH bikes too like a raceline extreme pro etc etc & they`re not a patch on the big hit,,,Supremo Lusho Big Hit-o

:-)

sorry,,,just had to add my 2 cents worth.

good argument tho,,,i allways wondered why it only had a 24" rear

I`m no world beater DH-er,,,but being 41 years old & keeeping up with (or tryng to keep up with) 18-25year old DH "Go-hards" makes me feel real good about buying the "Supremo Lusho Big Hit-o"

:-)

[wendel]

or pay 10 grand to go to england and buy one why not? or use the money and buy an intense or a v10?
by the way learn to back flip

[jasco]

Just shy of $6000 at my LBS

[Commander Dilsnikk]

or pay 10 grand to go to england and buy one why not? or use the money and buy an intense or a v10?
by the way learn to back flip

i'm not sure what he said, per se... but i'm sure it was insightful :roll:

[Avanti_Racing]

or pay 10 grand to go to england and buy one why not? or use the money and buy an intense or a v10?
by the way learn to back flip

he could afford it :shock:

[kranked]

mad matt, wat bighit have u got, u happy with it?????????

[MadMatt]

04 Big Hit Comp...& yeah,,,it`s Horn!!!

The Raceline extreme pro is also an 04 model & it`s sort of like a stiffer/taller copy(ish) of the Big Hit,,, but with 26" back wheel,,,it`s not really a patch on the Big hit, but it`s got really cool/smooth/lovely upside down front end from DNM volcanoe,,,sweet as a nut...i think i need a softer rear shock spring for it tho,,,it`s a little on the stiff side, but probly cause i`m so used to the "Lusho" big Hit.

MMMMmmmmm I love my bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smarty]

u can actually put a 26 inch wheel into a bighit, i did it with my 04 bighit comp, rides fine, but not sure if it'll hit the frame when doing jumps, anyway, didn't like it, too high