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rhysrhysbaby
23-05-2007, 07:31 AM
Stolen straight from WWW.DEFGRIP.NET
I DID NOT WRITE THIS!!!
"It’s an exciting time for Giant BMX right now, as we’re starting to see the results of all the work Kevin Dana and I have been doing since I started in February. We just got in some sample 2008 frames, and since these bikes don’t launch until late June, I took some photos of them to give you a little preview. You can see a few of the details here–stickerless paint schemes, Spanish BBs, CNC-logo’d head tubes, trimmed up dropouts and tubing, and also something we’re working on for the near future: externally butted chainstays to prevent denting. I threw in some photos of my setup at the bottom."
http://blog.defgrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/methodframesallangle.jpg
http://blog.defgrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/methodwhiterawside.jpg
http://blog.defgrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/whiterawgiant-002.jpg
There are a heap more photos here: http://blog.defgrip.net/archives/867#more-867
lets hope they dont become the STPs of bmx! haha
they look pritty sick for a gay company like giant to produce
they look pritty sick for a gay company like giant to produce
yeah i hate those companies who offer value for money bikes in just about every field.
grow up dickhead, just because they are a major company doesn't mean crap, more people probably have fun on Giant bikes than every small rider owned underground hardcore 'hand welded by some guy who happens to dirtjump' company out there put together. Someone has to supply to the masses.
(not that i have anytthing aginst small rider owned companies)
Ty
DJ1wheel
23-05-2007, 01:35 PM
yeah i hate those companies who offer value for money bikes in just about every field.
grow up dickhead, just because they are a major company doesn't mean crap, more people probably have fun on Giant bikes than every small rider owned underground hardcore 'hand welded by some guy who happens to dirtjump' company out there put together. Someone has to supply to the masses.
(not that i have anytthing aginst small rider owned companies)
Ty
+1 I have nothing further to add :rolleyes:
floody
23-05-2007, 03:17 PM
lets hope they dont become the STPs of bmx! haha
I bloody hope they do, that would mean they're extremely good value with awesome parts and dialled geometry. What a shame that would be :rolleyes:
Can't wait for this, I'll be in line for whatever the STP0's BMX equivalent is!
A month off in the USA, wonder when specs and pre-orders are happening, I've gotta check this out.
/\/\3qq3/\/\
23-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Those colours are sweet, liking the half raw and half paint one. Though I'd rather the Giant logo to be a sticker.
Later will they come complete or just the frame?
So what happens to Mosh? Or is this what Mosh have now become?
Mosh bikes are a 10 litre bucket of arse but those look freakin' dope, so I assume that they've got a whole new design team on board for the 'Giant' branded bikes.
ronald mcdonald
23-05-2007, 05:06 PM
man they look really nice. i wonder if they will take off?
tonas
23-05-2007, 05:30 PM
man they look really nice. i wonder if they will take off?
Technically they already have..... (i.e. the BMX resurgence has already begun.) That's the reason Giant Bicycles has decided to arrive on the BMX scene. They'll shit it in.
Andy.
E-thugin
23-05-2007, 07:49 PM
no brakes... hmm
/\/\3qq3/\/\
23-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Some have brake mounts if you click on the http://WWW.DEFGRIP.NET link the top picture you can see them.
Some have brake mounts if you click on the http://WWW.DEFGRIP.NET link the top picture you can see them.
Frames look clean. Would be alot better if the brake mounts were in the other position as it looks cleaner and so micro gearing can be run.
DWN-HLR
23-05-2007, 08:29 PM
i like the blue and white scheme one on the end that looks like a glory
are these strictly DJ and street bike or has giant made a race bike ?
id be very interested
[QUOTE=floody;976288]I bloody hope they do, that would mean they're extremely good value with awesome parts and dialled geometry. What a shame that would be :rolleyes:
although STP's are extremely good value, their spec lists save maybe the zero; are far from awesome. As far as "dialled" geometry goes, ive ridden a few "high end" frames, (if you want to call them that) whos geometry is actually "dialled", and they ride far different from STP's. Don't get me wrong i don't hate STP's and i don't hate people who ride them, but i do have an issue with the way in which they somehwhat "take over" the market, forcing high quality products to be more expensive as there is no way they can compete with companies selling bikes like STP's in such big numbers.
DJ1wheel
23-05-2007, 09:20 PM
[QUOTE=floody;976288]I bloody hope they do, that would mean they're extremely good value with awesome parts and dialled geometry. What a shame that would be :rolleyes:
although STP's are extremely good value, their spec lists save maybe the zero; are far from awesome. like STP's in such big numbers.
What qualifies as an 'awesome' spec list?
Ive got a 3 month old STP2
It has 3 piece cranks, they work, and since the recall took care of any of the 'loosening issues'
It has awesome working (mechanical) brakes (they stop me when I want to stop, they dont need bleeding, and they dont need a pump of the lever before riding)
It has Marz DJ4 forks which work the way i'd expect them to
It has 2 wheels which so far whatever i've thrown at them, they remain true.
It has bars and a seat, and ive kept ALL the gears :eek:
It didnt come with a chainstay protector though, or annodised exclusive chris king head set, it didnt come with gold annodised 5 inch long pin pedals made by a swiss midget who sells them for 250.00 retail.
Awesome spec lists as seen on farkin include ridiculously expensive parts, which get pollished, or sprayed pink, get included in photo shoots worth of porno magazines, yet funnily the majority dont ever look 'well used'
Granted they may be of 'higher quality' but you need to be realistic - they are charging between 900 - 1500 for their range, what more exactly could you ask for?
if your gonna say somthing has an awesome spec list it should have top quality stuff. the stuff on your stp 2 is average. In saying that I'm not dissing your ride mate, a bike is a bike and if it does what you want then thats wicked, when you've had your bike a while longer, providing you ride it enough, you will understand the difference between awesome and average parts.
mtberdave
23-05-2007, 09:41 PM
[QUOTE=floody;976288]I bloody hope they do, that would mean they're extremely good value with awesome parts and dialled geometry. What a shame that would be :rolleyes:
although STP's are extremely good value, their spec lists save maybe the zero; are far from awesome. As far as "dialled" geometry goes, ive ridden a few "high end" frames, (if you want to call them that) whos geometry is actually "dialled", and they ride far different from STP's. Don't get me wrong i don't hate STP's and i don't hate people who ride them, but i do have an issue with the way in which they somehwhat "take over" the market, forcing high quality products to be more expensive as there is no way they can compete with companies selling bikes like STP's in such big numbers.
viv do people in kala like joespeh now hahahahahahahaha
ahahaha, i was tryna make a point, ide get ripped for sayin i hate STP riders, lol
and NO ppl still hate joseph, HAHAHA
rhysrhysbaby
24-05-2007, 06:50 AM
how surprising to see a giant thread turn into an stp thread!
rhysrhysbaby
24-05-2007, 06:55 AM
straight from Mike Ardelean
Ardelean on 22 May 2007 at 10:11 pm
I’ll answer a few questions:
Giant was actually never wack; they’re one of the few big companies that hasn’t done anything embarrassing, from the team to the product. Kevin Dana has always kicked ass at offering the baddest and best looking completes possible for the price. Giant has definitely been overlooked though, because they haven’t promoted their program until now. But I’m glad you’re feeling the improvements.
Regarding the extra options that other brands offer… they’re cool, but I had free reign to do whatever I wanted with these bikes and I chose to keep them simple and not add too many extras, at least for now. Also, in one month, these frames are available as complete bikes that start at $270, which is less than most frames, so they’re more about simple and clean then they are about expensive features.
As far as a banging team goes… in my personal opinion Corey Bohan is one of the baddest riders to ever touch a bike, Heath is one of my favorites, and we’ll be making some other moves in the future.
Thanks for all the comments and support. Oh yeah, and that’s not chrome, it’s raw.
DJ1wheel
24-05-2007, 07:41 AM
how surprising to see a giant thread turn into an stp thread!
:rolleyes: I know mate, and its this sort of controversy that makes Giant who they are today.... everyone loves a drama.... :D
DJ1wheel
24-05-2007, 07:51 AM
if your gonna say somthing has an awesome spec list it should have top quality stuff. the stuff on your stp 2 is average. In saying that I'm not dissing your ride mate, a bike is a bike and if it does what you want then thats wicked, when you've had your bike a while longer, providing you ride it enough, you will understand the difference between awesome and average parts.
So tell me this, and this will seperate the bike 'owners' from the bike 'riders'
Is riding about having fun trying something new, and getting a thrill, or is it about spending a multitude of dollars on parts you are afraid to ride with incase you bust them up?
I'm all for parts that work (work being the operative word) and if that means paying the $$$ for them, then I will shell out like the next person...but if the parts are simply considered (awesome) by your peers, and you'll get touched on the nutsack by your best mate for having them on your bike while it props up a wall at a skate park, well then... i'll probably spend my money elsewhere.
"a bike is a bike and if it does what you want then thats wicked"
i already made that point mate, riding is about having fun, no need to hate, lol
and trust me, my bike doesnt have "awesome" parts, its just an "average" bmx, but it does wat i want it to so thats all that matters, how bout a little less hostility?
floody
24-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Firstly you'll have to forgive me, I'm on something of a pro-Giant crusade lately.
although STP's are extremely good value, their spec lists save maybe the zero; are far from awesome.
All of them have awesome specs for their prices. Of course if you spend lots of bloody money you will get a more awesome spec, that goes without saying.
As far as "dialled" geometry goes, ive ridden a few "high end" frames, (if you want to call them that) whos geometry is actually "dialled", and they ride far different from STP's. .
Interesting. List off a couple which you feel have better geometry, and for what they're intended, specs in mm please.
Apologies for STPing the thread.
DJ1wheel
24-05-2007, 12:40 PM
how bout a little less hostility?
:D no hostility tiger, I love a good debate, and always very interested in other peoples views, hell I havent even insulted you...I like to think i'm bigger than that...
carry on, as you were.
yea i like a good debate too DJ1wheel, always good fun ey :)
"Interesting. List off a couple which you feel have better geometry, and for what they're intended, specs in mm please."
Dun have the specs but the Nicolia BMXTB (i think) is the first one that comes to mind, now theres a frame whos geo is spot on, manuals sweet, handles smooth as. Totally different to the STP ( its lachy's bike if you know who i'm talking about). I used to own a .243 frame with same spec list as the stp2 accept for the wheels which were mtxs so still had crap ass dirt jam comps, and that rode way better than all my friend's STPs. Before that i had a Norco ryde it's manual sweet spot was better than all the STPs ive riden, small and large framed ones.
floody
24-05-2007, 03:43 PM
Compared to
STP
Wheelbase: 1057mm
Chainstays: 406mm
Head Angle: 69
Seat Angle: 73
Top Tube: 560mm
head tube: 118mm
BB height: 310mm (Pike at 95mm;470 ish mm axle crown height)
Standover:670mm
BMXTB has 6mm shorter stays, 8mm shorter top tube, 2mm shorter wheelbase and a slightly higher BB.
Not much different at all, only major difference is the head angle is 3 degrees slacker.
.243 has a higher BB by nearly 20mm, between 20mm shorter and 10mm longer stays on the horizontal drop model , 69 degree head angle as per STP, 10mm shorter top tube.
Both of them are pretty porky at 2.8kg and upwards too, stp's coming in around 2.1kg.
Maybe you like short, slack, tall, expensive, heavy bikes if the .243 is better, and IMHO any major difference in feel on the Nicolai would have been psychological, as with the same parts it would handle damn near the same as the STP, apart from the extra 2lb weight. The high BB and short top tube on the .243 would be why it popped onto the back wheel easy.
As for the Ryde, similar to the .243, IIRC.
All I can surmise is you like porky frames.
weight is not a bid deal to me, and i'm a pretty small guy, and i wudnt describe a .243 as "porky", however the added weight of the chromoly is a trade of i was willing to make for the smoother ride a chromoly frame gives compares to an alloy frame. And the difference of the Nicolia a can swear was not "psychological" as a jumped on it, leant back, and practically looped out, but once used to it i couldd manual with the front wheel considerably lower than could be done on an STP. It also spins better than an STP, what more could you ask for? It's the little differences between frames that make them ride a fair bit different.
Seems that people are becoming more and more obsessed with the weights of things instead of performance, heavier does not mean lower performance.
Meat Pie
24-05-2007, 05:17 PM
damn $270 for a complete one of those bad boys, i can't afford not to buy one. mabye im blind but does anyone know what material they're using?
Floody, it would appear that viv has his/her own opinion yet you seem to go on preaching about how good the stp is and compared it to higher end models. its all personal opinion, there's no such thing as the perfect frame for everyone although there are general guides. i ride an stp but would prefer a nicolai if i had the cash, but saying that the stp has perfect geo for me and i cant see myself spending that much on a frame
and last of all its a fucking BMX section, this is why PM's were made.
floody
24-05-2007, 05:22 PM
damn $270 for a complete one of those bad boys, i can't afford not to buy one. mabye im blind but does anyone know what material they're using?
$270 usd.
I'm going to talk to ye olde LGBS (local giant bike shop) tomorrow to find out what the skinny is (if indeed they know, since the state rep works there you'd hope so), because right now its only the rhythm and modem in the catalogue and they sure don't resemble those things.
Not sure on material nowadays but Giant did use to build quite nice Tange steel mtbs (light, good feel, strong) , perhaps Japanese chromoly of some sort (Tange, Sanko, Fuji etc)?
Floody your the sort of person that gives stp riders a bad name. it would appear that viv has his/her own opinion yet you seem to go on preaching about how good the stp is and compared it to higher end models. its all personal opinion, there's no such thing as the perfect frame for everyone although there are general guides. i ride an stp but would prefer a nicolai if i had the cash, but saying that the stp has perfect geo for me and i cant see myself spending that much on a frame
and last of all its a fucking BMX section, this is why PM's were made.
I was simply illustrating to Viv that Giant (and others, specialized, trek for example) are capable of building things that work equally as well or often better than bigger dollar, boutique name items.
STP simply a case in point, and in no way am I suggesting its perfect.
I'd suggest probably 50% of the boutique bikes out there are superior to mass produced items in prestige ONLY; certainly not capablity.
My apologies to anyone who can't look past the perceived prestige of boutique brands, and for taking the mtb example too far in the BMX section.
poopoohead
24-05-2007, 08:06 PM
Maybe you like short, slack, tall, expensive, heavy bikes if the .243 is better, and IMHO any major difference in feel on the Nicolai would have been psychological, as with the same parts it would handle damn near the same as the STP, apart from the extra 2lb weight. The high BB and short top tube on the .243 would be why it popped onto the back wheel easy.
As for the Ryde, similar to the .243, IIRC.
All I can surmise is you like porky frames.
Even If it is a psychological difference. If your riding better and you like the bike more and your having more fun because of those two things...What's the problem???
mtberdave
24-05-2007, 10:26 PM
floddy viv is right how many stp's frames have u seen that are cracked not just cracked like snapped and we all no full well what an stp feels like after liek 2 months lol
frames like nicolai and .243 would just hold up better becasue u no what they have gone through to make them
E-thugin
24-05-2007, 10:47 PM
stop talking about STPs in the BMX section, use PMs or start a thread in the mtb section.
I reckon those giant bmx frames look neat! nice & smooth with no
un-necesary gusseting or weird shaped frame tubes.
I would consider getting one if i was building up a new bike., it looks nicer than my 'fly pantera'
floody
24-05-2007, 11:27 PM
stop talking about STPs in the BMX section, use PMs or start a thread in the mtb section.
I think you missed the party mate.
floody
24-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Even If it is a psychological difference. If your riding better and you like the bike more and your having more fun because of those two things...What's the problem???
What's the problem? A psychological difference or difference in parts is nothing to base a judgement of a bike company's ability on!
DWN-HLR
25-05-2007, 12:47 AM
Can Anyone Answer My Question A Few Pages Back Please?
rhysrhysbaby
25-05-2007, 06:37 AM
i like the blue and white scheme one on the end that looks like a glory
are these strictly DJ and street bike or has giant made a race bike ?
id be very interested
I have not seen any detail of Giant race bmx's. This was posted in defgrip.net by Mike Ardelean who rides bmx(doesnt race) for Giant. I would assume he wouldnt have too much to do with race bmx frames.
rhysrhysbaby
25-05-2007, 06:39 AM
$270 usd.
I'm going to talk to ye olde LGBS (local giant bike shop) tomorrow to find out what the skinny is (if indeed they know, since the state rep works there you'd hope so), because right now its only the rhythm and modem in the catalogue and they sure don't resemble those things.
Not sure on material nowadays but Giant did use to build quite nice Tange steel mtbs (light, good feel, strong) , perhaps Japanese chromoly of some sort (Tange, Sanko, Fuji etc)?
.
http://blog.defgrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/methodwhiterawside.jpg
the name of this bike seems to be Method, so that might help you. I wouldnt expect your local giant shop to have any detail on these since this is all that has been seen anywhere on the net relating to these bikes.
aren't these the same frames that have come with the giant complete bmx's? i think they are called the method aswell, only never had fancy paint/ raw schemes, not sure tho
floody
25-05-2007, 11:36 PM
aren't these the same frames that have come with the giant complete bmx's? i think they are called the method aswell, only never had fancy paint/ raw schemes, not sure tho
Yeah I dunno about that. I don't think they are, not 100% but the tubing looks different in size and profile, different gussets etc. The current Rhythm series frames have a pronounced ovalising at the top/seattube, don't have the downtube gusset, etc.
Hard to be 100% sure having only seen pics of both, but I reckon they are different.
The frames and bike look pretty cool...
That complete bike pictured in the first post can't be one of the completes they are going to offer, it appears to have sunday forks and bars etc. (this may have already been said, I didn't read the whole thread)...
It's a good step up for Giant.
Randy Rhoads
26-05-2007, 06:16 PM
lets hope they dont become the STPs of bmx! haha
I wouldn't be surprised. They don't look that bad but if I rode BMX I wouldn't buy one.
melbourne rider
27-05-2007, 11:11 AM
i realy like them except for the giant logo, i dont like stickers very much.
other than that........... YEW
rhysrhysbaby
28-05-2007, 07:08 AM
The frames and bike look pretty cool...
That complete bike pictured in the first post can't be one of the completes they are going to offer, it appears to have sunday forks and bars etc. (this may have already been said, I didn't read the whole thread)...
It's a good step up for Giant.
Its mike ardeleans personal setup. if you read the original post you would know that.
rhysrhysbaby
28-05-2007, 08:28 AM
taken from thecomeupboard.com in relation to geometry and weight.
Ardelean
dude Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 10
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Giant has never gotten out of BMX... Bohan has been on the team for years and they've always had a BMX line; they've just been quiet about it. Frame geometry is 74.5 HT, 21"TT (on the team model; mine is 20.75"), 13.75" rear. Weight is 5.5 lbs.
rhysrhysbaby
29-05-2007, 08:40 AM
more from defgrip.net
# Ardeleanon 27 May 2007 at 11:36 pm
The completes retail from $$270 to $650, and the geometry of the Team Model is 21″ TT, 13.75″ rear, 74.5 degree HT, 5.5 lbs. The Team Model is basically the Bohan signature and he despises chainstay mounts, so seat stays it is.
DJ1wheel
29-05-2007, 09:19 AM
more from defgrip.net
# Ardeleanon 27 May 2007 at 11:36 pm
The completes retail from $$270 to $650, and the geometry of the Team Model is 21″ TT, 13.75″ rear, 74.5 degree HT, 5.5 lbs. The Team Model is basically the Bohan signature and he despises chainstay mounts, so seat stays it is.
Cheers Rhys, have you got access to a 'spec' list yet? for the $650.00 model?
rhysrhysbaby
29-05-2007, 09:23 AM
nah thats all i got.
i will post any info i can find on them though.
rhysrhysbaby
31-05-2007, 09:49 AM
Heath Pinter and Corey Bohans new bikes
http://www.mosh-parts.com/heathbike1.jpg
http://www.mosh-parts.com/Coreybike.jpg
stolen from www.mosh-parts.com
rhysrhysbaby
28-08-2007, 06:53 AM
the spec of and geo of the method team complete bike is up on the giant website.
http://giantbicycle.com/en-US/bikes/bmx/1294/29399/
Hansen
28-08-2007, 08:46 PM
bikes look sweet except the big gaint sticker:p
jackie boy
29-08-2007, 07:58 AM
Fark mosh has a good team!!!
bunya djer n dher
30-08-2007, 04:09 PM
wait.. to clear it up..
is the raw frame the top of the line model?
and is it only 650 for the complete, top of the line build?
looks very very nice!
rhysrhysbaby
31-08-2007, 06:57 AM
wait.. to clear it up..
is the raw frame the top of the line model?
and is it only 650 for the complete, top of the line build?
looks very very nice!
the frames featured in the first post are for the method team completes which are the top of the line giant bmx builds as shown on their websites.
the $650 price quoted is US prices, so i'd expect it to come in around $1000 when they are available here in shops.
bunya djer n dher
31-08-2007, 03:51 PM
the frames featured in the first post are for the method team completes which are the top of the line giant bmx builds as shown on their websites.
the $650 price quoted is US prices, so i'd expect it to come in around $1000 when they are available here in shops.
thanks mate!
will definately look into getting one of those beauties :)
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