Scott v Mont - Get on with it...

[mcray]

I’ve had enough, for too long I’ve sat passively reading the comments regarding the Mont 24hr and the Scott 24hr and enough is enough. Clearly, there is a hole in the mtbing market to warrant both races.

The Scott crew… shame on you. You state that a private promoter won’t put back into the mountain biking. Anyone who has ridden in a race, which would be a large percentage reading this and most likely the entire CORC committee, knows that any race coordinated by Dave White and his team - they put back into the local community and mountain biking.

CORC - do you publicly criticise and question Wild Horizons owned by Huw Kingston, , Alina McMaster or Tom Landon – Smith of AROC, Australian Mountain Bike Orienteering, Australian Rogain Association, Sri Chinmoy (anyone else I can’t think of) when they all use areas of Stromlo, Kowen, Majura, Black Mountain or Sparrow Hill….? I’m sure they pay their fees to use these forests to run their private or club events as will the MONT 24hr.

As for the Scott 24hr website… shame on you, bullying / slander it is just ugly…. Get on with your job of putting on a quality race and stop seeing the MONT 24hr, Dave White and the rest of the team as a threat!

MONT 24hr is another great race put on by a great team, giving the community of mountain biking what they want; a fun, entertaining mountain bike experience!

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These opinions and thoughts are the views of a mountain biking momma who is sick of hearing the kiddies squabble. Shut up and finish your projects….

[MONTRD]

Hi Mcray,

Thanks for the support, I cant/wont comment on what is to be read into any one else's website (or why). Private Promoters are an integral part of the sport as are cycling clubs however IMO the riders are the most important people involved. I try never to forget that, especially when setting a 24hr course that needs to be fun and fast and achievable for all. (ok off me soapbox guv'ner).

The MONT 24/07 team are flat out busy doing our best to put on a great 24hr event for 1500 wonderful riders who love riding singletrack in the Pine Forest with camping in a winery and fun to be had both on the trails and back in the campsite. The course has already been plotted with respected and noted canberra trail gurus giving the course the "green light". It is going be a course full of flowing singletrack interspersed with fireroad that ALL riders will have fun on.

The big question has been when do entries open, and after discussion with the online entry experts the entries to the MONT 07 will open on Wednesday 6th June.

Thanks to the many riders and sponsors and race crew who have already pledged support. It is going to be a great weekend, with a full moon and someone mentioned Halloween. Fancy Dressers take note!

To those riders competing in the CORC event, best wishes in your training and racing and if you feel like backing up for another 24hr race, then please check out www.mont24.com.au.

Best Regards

MONTRD

[fishboy2807]

Hear hear mcray.

CORCs attitude to this event (and now private promoters in general) casts a shadow over the good work that the club is involved in, and makes me question whether I should continue my involvement with the club as a volunteer.

I want to be proud of my club, and i'm not right now.

Lift your game CORC, please.

Incidentally, Woodstock was created and run by a private promoter.
His name was Michael Lang.

[Some Guy]

Private Promoters are an integral part of the sport as are cycling clubs however IMO the riders are the most important people involved.

What I find most amusing is that the Scott website harps on about how its run by a MTB club so the proceeds go back into the sport - and then in the very next sentence claims it will be run well because a private company is involved. So private promoters are bad, don't go to an event run by them... but we've got one running our race because they do a good job. Got enough hypocracy?

[brokenspoke]

Well Said Mccray. This is starting to get embarrassing. The arrogance of the SCOTT 24hr team is disappointing. I thought Apis was running the show this year and doesnt that make them Private Promoters? Last year my entry money went to Apis, so where does my money go this year? Who is making the profit from this years SCOTT..come on SCOTT crew, fess up.

Oh yeah since when is Mt Stromlo the home of the original MONT 24hr race. I rode all four early races and the original race was held at Deeks Forest Park, and only crossed the road to Mt Stromlo once.

[nrs1mounty]

personally i dont give a rats where the money goes and who makes a profit.
I care about
1: Excellent track
2: great atmosphere
3: fun with your mates and fellow competitors
4: great amenities (spelling??) ie toilets/showers
5: Good food to munch on
6: Promises kept (whatever they say they will do they do)

I say go to the event you think will give you what you want,
I have been to nearly every Canberra 24hr in October, i dont think i have ever been dissapointed, the tracks are always excellent and have a good mixture of fire trail and single track and suitable to 95% of riders (sorry but you cant please everyone).
I dont care if there are crappy prizes, i am happy to not come last in my category, i dont care if there is a crappy finishing prize (we are lucky to get anything), i dont care if the "Free" t-shirt is a crappy orange colour (i like mine and people can actually see me at night).

If you dont like one event or the other, then fair enough, thats life and how it will always be.

Sorry for whinging, looked after my kids today (3months and 2.5yr old) while the wife went horse riding so i am tired and didnt get out for a ride today.

[FR Drew]

Given the dig at me (since edited out), for all those who want to know, here's what I pm'd to brokenspoke after he went on the attack in a recent thread. I sent it as a PM because I felt that the amount of public bitching was doing no-one any favors, not for any reason of secrecy.
Hi Brokenspoke,

Before I go further, please let me say that while I'm on the CORC committee and the trails team I'm not part of any evil party machine or anything like that, I'm just one of the little guys in the club who helps to get riders trails. I'm also not speaking on behalf of the club, merely off my own bat.

Thus far in your three posts you've implied that the Scott/CORC race doesn't care about rider concerns, accused people of "aggro" against private promoters and followed up with "Shame CORC Shame" and then when Bucketmaster queried if you were genuine by means of "stooge?" you accused him of arrogance and bad attitude.

Looking at the Scott website, yes it has been pointed out that the MONT race is run by a public promoter and that the CORC/Scott race is run by the club. It has also made the statement that the profits raised from running CORC/Scott race get put directly back into the sport in the ACT in the form of junior training, womens camps, trailbuilding etc.

Is this what you classify as "aggro"?

A competing race has been set up in the ACT claiming to get back to grass roots "the way things used to be". However, "the way things used to be" was financially supporting ACT mountainbiking as opposed to sending the money elsewhere.

Riding facilities like Mount Stromlo are as a direct result of the clubs efforts, as is the trail maintenance work at Sparrow Hill and Majura (trails that will be used by the competing race). Do you feel that it is somehow wrong for the club to be keen to let riders know which event will be supporting the local riding infrastructure?

From my point of view, it seemed to be a pretty sweeping opening statement to make on your part.

I hope when you get down here you'll enjoy riding lots of the trails in Canberra, the last few years of volunteer work have produced some great facilities.

While people are more than willing to put the boot into APIS, anyone even makes a hint of any dig at Mont and the indignation is overwhelming. I'm sorry but when I read threads where people say that they hope the Mont race success will be at the expense of a huge loss to APIS so they'll be driven away from mountainbiking it makes me sick. I thought mountainbikers in general were above this.

CORC have busted their arses over the last half a decade of so to make the trails and facilities in the ACT great. The 24 hour race in october has done a lot to enable this work to be possible. Are people up in arms and indignant because they're afraid of the truth that to put money into a non CORC event at the expense of the CORC event will reduce the ability for this to happen?

Last I heard, APIS were assisting with event management not "running the event" as you put it.

Personally, I have friends in both camps, I hope both events go great and that MTB in the ACT continues to prosper. I hope this won't all end up being at the expense of Canberra riders. Frankly the whole show would be better without the infighting. I don't know the whole facts of what happened behind the scenes last year, I suspect that very few people do and that the public version is pretty distorted. Certain things last year went far from well, this is true. At the same time, many riders I've spoken to seem to think last year was an awesome event, not the utter travesty that some people seem keen to paint it as.

At the end of the day, I'm busy trying to lobby for trails in North Canberra with a government department blocking me seemingly for the hell of it, I have bigger things to be concerned about than the Mont, the 12 hours of Darkness, the Angry Doctor, the Kona 24 hour or the Scott.

I have friends who are entering both races, I have friends entering just the Scott and also some entering just the Mont. Due to family commitments I can only ride in one so I'm opting to support the race that helps to support my trail work. I don't wish Dave ill, I think he has been responsible for the birth of a wonderful thing in Australian mountain biking.

Flame on.

[brokenspoke]

Good to see FR Drew, your last few points are valid. Happy you replied on the thread, no one else from the SCOTT 24hr has. I dont think anyone wishes ill of either event, the basis of this thread is for some less aggro attitude and more honest reporting. CORC used to be above this. I have ridden the old MONT four times when DW was the Race Director and last years event too. I wont be riding your event again until I see a change of attitude and an improvement in management. I will be riding the MONT, DW puts a huge effort into looking after the riders. By the way, what is the profit for CORC from the 24hr race and what exactly does CORC use it for ? Last I heard there was free entry to all club members in all club races. Is that still happening ?

Good luck on your trail work and keep them gubberment people on their toes.

[FR Drew]

Good to see FR Drew, your last few points are valid. Happy you replied on the thread, no one else from the SCOTT 24hr has. I have ridden the old MONT four times when DW was the Race Director and last years event too. I wont be riding your event again until I see a change of attitude and an improvement in management. I will be riding the MONT, DW puts a huge effort into looking after the riders. By the way, what is the profit for CORC from the 24hr race and what exactly does CORC use it for ? Last I heard there was free entry to all club members in all club races. Is that still happening ?

Good luck on your trail work and keep them gubberment people on their toes.

Firstly I'll say that the thread hasn't been up for that long, I merely have no life, which may explan why I'm the only person who has responded..

Like you, I've ridden a good number of the races now, in fact every one that they held at Kowen.

I'm still not personally convinced that the event is an example of "poor management" or that CORC have a poor "attitude" but everyone takes a different experience away from the event. I go there expecting to get no sleep and not to have a shower while I'm camping, so the sound of the generators or what the shower truck is like have never been that much of a factor for me. I'm also mainly there just to hang out with mates, I have no hope of placing so prize money on offer means jack to me. I like my orange shirt but wish the bottle was better, I thought the bento box while somewhat corny was way more useful than the little blue torch from a previous year (the keyring bottle opener is my pick of the finishers dooflangles I've received).

CORC also put a huge effort in looking after the riders, rest assured.

As for the financial side of things and precisely where the allocation goes, firstly I'm not sure what the numbers are with regard to income and it's not my place to say even if I knew. Off the top of my head, CORC runs womens camps which are subsidised, they run junior development which is subsidised (or free, not sure which), they do a lot of trail building and maintaining work, put on a lot of races which don't turn a big profit (if any). From memory we're not running free entry except possibly for some junior categories, but don't quote me on it.

[brokenspoke]

FRDrew,

Im in the building industry and we have a saying "you're only as good as your last job". And so it is in 24hour events. The last 24hour race at Kowen was the worst by far of the five I have attended IMHO. Im not talking about the weather or the riders (who were great fun), Im talking about the overcrowded car park, overcrowded campsite, overcrowded trails, the over priced food, the line ups for everything. If I wanted all that I would have stayed in sydney.

[sclyde2]

ok, you didn't like last year's race. even though i noticed a lot of the stuff you mentioned, it didn't make the event into a disaster, like you are implying. maybe i am easy to please. my only gripe was the overcrowding on the track...

back on topic. when i first looked at the 2007 scott website, i got a very similar impression to what the thread starter had. it seemed that the word "original" came up more than it need to, "the best" etc etc, the lengths gone to to differentiate the scott event from the mont event, including implications that the mont event was inferior. it just was a bit over the top in my opinion, and i personally wouldn't have put it that way. the way it came out, was that scott was competing with mont (kinda like election advertising, putting the other down), but for what reason? i doubt that the scott race won't fill up. why put that stuff on the website? i don't think that tone was on the 2006 scott website.

i just had a look at the updated site, and it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad. maybe it is because the stuff is spread out, or has been moderated somewhat...

[mcray]

FR Drew, Brokenspoke...!!!!:mad: Clearly you both have issues but neither of you are helping either 24hr race. Take a time out!!


[QUOTE=MONTRD;980024]


It is going to be a great weekend, with a full moon and someone mentioned Halloween. Fancy Dressers take note!

The only really important thing is... dusting off my Dorothy outfit and where I left Toto!!

[Le Matelot]

I have ridden the old MONT four times when DW was the Race Director

Which years were they?

what is the profit for CORC from the 24hr race

All you have to do is join CORC and come to the AGM and the club's financial statements are available to members and open for discussion. I'm sure its worth the trip from Narrabeen.

and what exactly does CORC use it for?

Well, that is available in detail to members at the AGM too, but CORC is a non-profit organisation, so our overall aim from a year is to come out square (last year, from memory, I think we made a loss of around $2000). So, if you believe the posts on these forums claiming that CORC made millions in profit from the 2006 Scott, then clearly we put millions back into mountain biking.

Just between you and me, I think some of those forum claims were just a bit exaggerated, but the things we spend our money on include: trails access, trail maintenance, IMBA support, junior rider development, social rides, producing free track maps and where-to-ride brochures for visitors, helping other clubs start up, running races for other clubs to help them out, supporting club members at representative races, supporting riders in ACT Academy of Sport MTB programs, subsidising race entry costs, subsidising womens training and development, running the ACT Schools MTB Comp at zero cost to the riders and ACT Schools, paying for forest access and keeping our equipment up to date so we can continue to run high standard events. Then, there is the Government relationship which has resulted in the development of Mt Stromlo.

In the last 12 months, CORC has run 67 races, keeping (the majority of) 10,500 riders happy. Most of those races run at a loss. That's our decision and we do it because it supports the sport of mountain biking.

Oh - one other thing before I forget - did I mention that while all that was going on, we managed to get Australia the 2009 UCI World MTB Champs plus a round of the UCI MTB World Cup in 2008?

Last I heard there was free entry to all club members in all club races. Is that still happening?

Some races are free for CORC members and some are 50% subsidised. The full details are available on the CORC website at http://www.corc.asn.au/news/archive.asp scroll about halfway down to the item titled Review of Race Entry Costs 2007.

[MONTRD]

Well said Mcray, let the organisers get on with the organising and the riders get on with riding and the world will be a happy place!

[FR Drew]

FR Drew, Brokenspoke...!!!!:mad: Clearly you both have issues but neither of you are helping either 24hr race. Take a time out!!


I'm confused???
You're angry at us? Over what exactly?

Brokenspoke had a shot at me (since deleted) for something I pm'd in response to a pretty much identical thread around a week ago, I responded. It's merely a discussion, not a battleground. Don't read so much into it.

When you start a thread, it's likely that not everyone will agree with your point of view, a debate starts, some people will want to discuss related issues, some will threadjack, some will talk about in-jokes or previous threads. That's how it goes posting on an open forum, it happens to all of us. It's pretty much just a part of life on Farkin. (you should see how some other threads head off on a tangent!)

Let me reinforce what I said before:

I don't wish the Mont race any ill will. I hope that both races fill to capacity and everyone has a great time. Till entries close, I don't think anyone knows exactly how big the racing audience is, or which race will fill first (if either), with luck there will be enough eager racers to fill both events.

As far as fancy dress goes, after last year's get-up with the pink satin skirt and the tiara I'm on rocky ground with the missus if I try that again. (Plus of course it would seem that even at an mtb race you'll have the obligatory meathead who insists on screaming "fag" at you for wearing such an outfit, so would be Dorothies, consider yourselves warned.)

[mcray]

WOW, FR Drew!



You are a representative of CORC, adjust the language and tone of your messages before hitting the ‘post reply’ button.

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These opinions and thoughts are the views of a mountain biking momma who is tired of hearing the kiddies squabble.

[Oracle]

Hmmm, as an outsider that hasn't ridden or been to either event (but hope to once I move back to the BIG Island :p), some comments/posts in this thread don't appear to do much to promote XC/MTB in general! :o Ease up guys. :cool:

[DaGonz]

you know... there's a certain irony to this thread titled "Get on with it..." yet as far as I can make out, it's origional intention was to stir the pot!! if you were really just wishing to get on with it, you'd have dropped this now seemingly repetitve argument and get on with it yourself. If you feel so enraged by whatever events, email the club president, or DW or whoever. I'm sure they're nice people and would take your comments as appropriate. Moreover, entries open within a week give or take, you now also have the option of voting with your feet.

The Mont advertising has attacked the corc event, (whether intentionally or not) just as much as the corc event has attacked the mont one. They will be different events, they both have a different ethos, so if pollitical and moral motivations are that big a driver to where you ride your bike then make a choice and actually get on with it...

Me, I have no particular loyalty to either event, but thinking I'll probably just ride the Scott (I probably can't afford time wise or otherwise to do both...) This is a turnaround on an earlier decission of mine after riding stromlo and realising it's probably not going to be the zero tree dust bowl everyone has been making it out to be... Besides, kowen was heavily forrested dust bowl, the former might actually be better with a gentle breeze...

Im talking about the overcrowded car park, overcrowded campsite, overcrowded trails, the over priced food, the line ups for everything. If I wanted all that I would have stayed in sydney.

Corc did say from the outset that was going to be the last race at kowen. Did you get a campsite? did you get a car park? and as for overcrowded trails, I didn't think they were more or less over crowded than say any other 8hr or 12hr. Certainly at 4am I seem to remember riding for a fair while without anybody else around.

I'm not from corc, and my only quip about last years race was getting food after the race (after circulating for all but a couple of hours) was hard as they'd seemingly ran out...

The corc event is a big event, with many thousands of people. If everyone decides they want a shower at the same time, or get a hot dog at the same time then you're going to get queues... deal with it. I thought us moutain bikers were a patient mob, there for the ride and not the flashy bits.

So to McCray and the others, you seem to be bitching for the sake of bitching now. I make the call to you to get on with it. Go post to one of the other threads about how mad the trails at <venue> will be, and you'll be entering with a team of <x>, look out for <distinguishing_team_feature>!!!

otherwise, both corc and dw are looking for volunteers, it seems to me you all just put your hand up to spend a few hours making either event a success!

Cheers
Gonz

"The trails at stromlo were pretty mad when I rode them the other week. I'll probably be entering solo, look out for the khs solo rider with a spoon on his chain stay!"

[brokenspoke]

Well what a difference a nights sleep and an early morning surf makes. :)Clearly I have offended a few, but please read them in context to what the thread is about. My last original MONT was 02 at Deeks and we crossed the road up that f... bighill and down the super fast fire road past the thunderbox at the gate onto the tarmac and around some lovely north shore style stuff, and then I broke my elbow..funny now but ouch. A great atmosphere though. Im not saying last year was a disaster, just huge, big, crowded. And in my experience so far removed from the earlier races, atmosphere wise. it is just my opinion. Matey im not saying CORC isnt a good bike club. Everyone knows it is, it does great things as it a bike club should. Which makes the aggro against Private Promoters and the MONT so out of character that you have to question why?
Good onya on getting the world champs and the 1million dollars and all that, good luck with it. But before you bite me, perhaps you could consider what Mcray wrote that started this thread.
hihohiho..off to work I go

PS FRDrew - Peace man Peace

[FR Drew]

WOW, FR Drew!

You are a representative of CORC, adjust the language and tone of your messages before hitting the ‘post reply’ button.
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These opinions and thoughts are the views of a mountain biking momma who is tired of hearing the kiddies squabble.

I'm sorry if I've offended, that wasn't my intent. You may be filtering my responses through a pre-existing viewpoint, I'm not sure. I bit back in response to a demand for a time out when I didn't think I'd said anything that outta line, my bad, I'm sorry.

Aside from the opening salvo attacking CORC and the management team for this year's race, what were you actually hoping this thread was going to achieve discussion wise? (Please accept this as a genuine question, no sarcasm or veiled attack)

My impression is that if people want to hop on the "lets attack corc and apis" bandwagon they'll be welcomed with open arms whereas if people want to point out that by and large last year's race seemed to run pretty well and that over the last half a decade or so APIS have put quite a bit into mountainbiking, frankly, no-one wants to hear about it.

[Pete J]

But before you bite me, perhaps you could consider what Mcray wrote that started this thread.


I honestly don't see more in the original post other than a person with an agenda venting on a forum. Also, said person refuses to actually read the responses given, except for those from people of the same points of view.

I think that's as scathing as I've been.


Dude, as far as i can see you have been far from 'scathing', your input here has been much more mature than mcray's efforts. I fail to understand where her hostility stems from... :confused:

[Incontinent]

What is it with the all the APIS bashing?
Other than support MTB, what have they done to piss you all off?
Why is there conflict between two great races offering the MTB community more opportunities to ride?
Is it because the 2 events are relatively close on the calendar the reason for this conflict?
Although it seems to be the case these events should not have been "pitched" against each other.
What happens when both events are offered again next year do we go through all this crap again?

[FR Drew]

Actually, I think thus far this thread has been pretty clear of Apis bashing.

I've been having a further think this morning and one thing did occur to me:

Setting up a second race with Mont as the naming rights sponsor was always going to create much of this confusion.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that with the Canberra CORC run 24 hour being colloquially known as "The Mont" to one and all, then the name itself has an association with a particular event, no matter who the naming rights sponsor is. Hell 90% of people were calling last year's race "the Mont" and 9% of the remainder were calling it "the Scont" so obviously the name is associated with the CORC 24 hour race in October. And you'd assume that Scott had a few issues on the subject.

So, if you start up a competing race and call it "the Mont 24 hour race", it's likely to:

confuse more than a few folks
draw people to the new competing event

This pretty much put CORC in a position where they were obliged to make some sort of comment along the lines of "the other new race might sound like the old race you've heard about from the past but this one with a different name is actually that old one and the new one (with the old name) is another new one."

Most people think of a ballpoint pen as a "biro", many think of a photocopier as a "xerox" and the Canberra 24 hour race is known by most as "the Mont". These are facts. You wouldn't attempt to profit from something like this sort of name association and not expect the people you may potentially be drawing an audience away from to sit back and do nothing, surely?

Would any of this confusion have happened if the Majura race had been promoted as the "SRAM 24 Hour Race" or the "Teddy Bear Skittlers 24 Hour Race"?

[FR Drew]

At mcrays request, here's a PM I sent off forum:


Morning mcray,

My apologies, at the same time as I see others reading my posts and imposing a particular viewpoint on them, I forget that I'm doing the same in reading their posts.

I'm of the opinion that the discussion I was having with brokenspoke was working through a few issues, answering some queries etc. I wouldn't have thought it warranted a time out.

Since last year's Scott there have been some pretty scathing and unfair comments about CORC and Apis floating around forum planet, much of which has been whipped up be those with a vested interest in doing so. This means that we're all tired of being the brunt of attacks.

I truly do hope that both events fill to capacity and everyone has a great time.

Peace,

Drew

(just a small cog in the trails team, not part of the great conspiracy)

[mycyclingdisorder]

If i was a betting man I'd assume that Rob rather than Dave has ponied up the majority of the dollars for running the Mont race. I could be wrong but I'd be suprised.

This then leaves the question of why it's not being promoted as the SRAM 24 hour race?

Drew

If you think a little further on this, you'll find that if an event organiser finds a business to support an event as a major sponsor, then that business has 'naming rights' of the event. Scott and Mont have this arrangement with the respective event organisers. Minor sponsors follow suit with other forms of branding for a different fee, rate or arrangement.

It's a fundamental tenet of sports promotion, replicated in every single sporting group/event that seek dollars from the corporate sector (and government for that matter).

The 'Mont' is the 'Mont' because Mont are the major sponsor, as the 'Scott' is the 'Scott' likewise. Each business owns their name, and wants each event to yield as much brand awareness as possible. That is why they are there.

There's nothing sinister in a business having naming rights for the event they are the major sponsor of now, or as it happens an event they were major sponsor for previously.

What is sinister, is innuendo to the contrary.

[FR Drew]

Certainly, the old Mont race was no doubt a significant component of the advertising that Mont did. It got them huge brand awareness. I can totally understand why Dave would wish to begin doing it again and become naming rights sponsor of a new race. I'm not disputing any of this at all.

I'm not implying anything sinister, it's good business sense, but it has resulted in a situation where which race is which needs to be clarified as far as the CORC run event being the long standing one and the Mont (although it has the long standing name) being the new one. Surely you can see that if you set up a nearly identical event to the old one, in the same city as the old one, with the same name as the old one, at almost the same time as the old one, then some people are going to think that you are the old one.

[Turner_rider]

I was expecting something much more refreshing when I read the title of this thread, but all I can say is that I'm quite disappointed that its the same rubbish. :mad:

Don't you guys have better things to do? Maybe riding for example??

All this Scott vs Mont stuff is about as interesting as listening to a bunch of old women argue the virtue of scones over lamingtons for Thursday afternoon's CWA meeting. ;)

[FR Drew]

Hey, how madcore is that Josh Bender guy as a rider?:rolleyes:
(equally pointless but at least it'd give us something animated to argue about...)

So, in order to lighten the tone, who's doing what as far as creative team names?

I'm running in a mixed six called "Mixed and Beaten", sounds like there are maybe some Dorothies in the pipeline, is OAF getting an outing for the Mont race this year?

The names are the best bit of the events, surely.

I still reckon "Once Were Couriers" is possibly my fave name from years past. That's gold.

[nuclear_powered]

So, in order to lighten the tone, who's doing what as far as creative team names?

Spokey Dokey Blokeys ... now just have to find some spokey dokeys ...

P.S. Going in your (well, CORC's) event. Looking forward to it - regardless of numbers, which race is better, which name is more original .... what colour t-shirt I get etc.

[alchemist]

How about some Hokey Spokies (http://forums.farkin.net/www.hokeyspokes.com) much better for the night

[mycyclingdisorder]

All this Scott vs Mont stuff is about as interesting as listening to a bunch of old women argue the virtue of scones over lamingtons for Thursday afternoon's CWA meeting. ;)

Dude, don't diss the CWA.

Those girls rock, and so do their scones.

[nuclear_powered]

How about some Hokey Spokies (http://forums.farkin.net/www.hokeyspokes.com) much better for the night
Nice! They're as good as purchased :)

[FR Drew]

Just don't try "Cokey Spokeys". WADA takes a dim view of that kind of carry on in cycling.

[MONTRD]

Hi y'all, hey FRDrew, nice call but I will take you up on that bet. The MONT 24hr 2007 is called the MONT because MONT Adventure Equipment are the naming rights sponsors - pure and simple. In amongst the $50,000 of prizes in this years MONT 24, including the $4000 for the winning male and female pro teams, are a huge amount of MONT gear. Come along and ride and you might win some.

SRAM and Jet Black Products and CamelBak and GU and Julbo are all great sponsors with great products that are fantastic to use on a ride. Buy some and see! And wear some MONT gear to keep you dry and warm over winter.

PS Entries open on 6 Jun.

[dr.evil]

Looking forward to both events.

Scott - I should be with the usual bunch of 6 who keep coming back each year. I am really looking forward to this year's event because it is a good facility with some great track, there is the hourglass course with options, and transition is at the road crit track. Expecting more of an endurance like challenge with some good hard riding and hanging around with my mates (and 1,000s of other like-minded people) telling them how good it was.

Mont - Looking forward to a team 24hr at Majura. Hopefully in a team of SS's. This has got me excited because I feel like it is a wind down type event with that bit of entertainment value. I'm hoping to put a lap in for the Dragster Invitational. Expecting a fun, flowing track and plenty of talk out on the trails.

[Dreggsy]

I'll be riding both i think
the Scott 24 solo
and the Mont in a team of Singlespeeders hopefully,
Out of every race i've been in i've had no issues

[funky]

I'll be riding the Scott. I would love to do both events, but I don't think it will happen. Too much moolah to do both, and no doubt I'll need to spend some time with the better half.

Personally I didn't think the news item people were complaining about above to be inflammatory, but it probably could have been worded better. Anyway, it seems to have been taken down from the website now anyway. Ho hum...

[Turner_rider]

Dude, don't diss the CWA.

Those girls rock, and so do their scones.

I prefer their lamingtons ;)

Race wise, as I intend riding a mixed pair the choice of event is pretty much made for me.

Both events should be great and I'd love to do both, but it's not a realistic option and could also be considered a bit selfish if someone who's really keen misses out on both.

[Corty]

Both events should be great and I'd love to do both, but it's not a realistic option and could also be considered a bit selfish if someone who's really keen misses out on both.

I think anyone who's "really keen" and misses out on getting into either of the 24hr races is a disorganized, incompetent noob. Not sure I'd want to be alone at night on single track with someone that hopeless :rolleyes:

Farkin should run a comp to see who does the best over both events!:D

[Turner_rider]

I think anyone who's "really keen" and misses out on getting into either of the 24hr races is a disorganized, incompetent noob. Not sure I'd want to be alone at night on single track with someone that hopeless :rolleyes:

Or doesn't have easy access to a computer and/or a credit card. Without both of those online entry can be a bit hard.

[GrubNut]

I still reckon "Once Were Couriers" is possibly my fave name from years past. That's gold.

hehe I googled it and came up with a funny article;
http://www.bikereader.com/solo/couriers.html
:D