New bridge/ramp at Ourimbah

[Wattsy]

new ladder roll looks crap, really like the older style.

[Squid edit: Discussion taken here to avoid going OT in picture thread]

[Plow King]

new ladder roll looks crap, really like the older style.

The track had been beat up, rutter and someone moved the rock which meant you couldn't drop it aswell, it was basically a huck to flat which was very unsmooth. I think all the riders agree'd that the wooden roll-in made the track far better.

Did it not rain up there today or something? It was raining all day in Sydney.
Looks like the track was dusty:confused:

It was dry all day, up until the second run when it started raining heavily. Everyone got one dry race run in. The track was in good condition and props to the guys for doing work on it, they did a great job.

[Squidly Didly]

The track had been beat up, rutter and someone moved the rock which meant you couldn't drop it aswell, it was basically a huck to flat which was very unsmooth. I think all the riders agree'd that the wooden roll-in made the track far better.
Cool. So when do we cement the rock garden, or should we just put another ewok village there?

[Plow King]

Cool. So when do we cement the rock garden, or should we just put another ewok village there?

Meh, the rest of the rockgarden doesn't have hucks to an uphill/off camber landing.

[Squidly Didly]

Meh, the rest of the rockgarden doesn't have hucks to an uphill/off camber landing.
Wow what an exaggeration. Not only is that landing NOT off-camber, it's NOT uphill either. Flat landing it may be, but far from what you wrote. Yes it's difficult, but 90% of riders could do it. If a ramp was needed, it should've been built as a B-line. There's no challenge left in what was one of the hardest bits of the track.

[Plow King]

Wow what an exaggeration. Not only is that landing NOT off-camber, it's NOT uphill either. Flat landing it may be, but far from what you wrote. Yes it's difficult, but 90% of riders could do it. If a ramp was needed, it should've been built as a B-line. There's no challenge left in what was one of the hardest bits of the track.

If you want a challenge you can just not ride on the roll in, you can huck off the side if you please...

[Squidly Didly]

If you want a challenge you can just not ride on the roll in, you can huck off the side if you please...
Why would I take the drop line now when it's slower? See my point...

[Plow King]

Why would I take the drop line now when it's slower? See my point...

Yes, But you want to be challenged, so do the drop if its enjoyable. But do the pallet roll in, in a race run... the pallet allows you to carry much more speed into the next section, IMO hitting the next section with more speed would be more challenging than hucking to flat.

The wooden roll in was probably also put their to reduce erosion and maintanence on the track.

[Squidly Didly]

Yes, But you want to be challenged, so do the drop if its enjoyable. But do the pallet roll in, in a race run... the pallet allows you to carry much more speed into the next section, IMO hitting the next section with more speed would be more challenging than hucking to flat.
Yes, I want to be challenged in my race run. How shit did the road gap at the Stromlo National Championships look when the majority of the Elite riders took the B-Line because it was faster. I'm sure that impressed the spectators and media :rolleyes:

[Plow King]

I'm sure that impressed the spectators and media :rolleyes:


Well I guess we were lucky that only afew specators and no media showed up. You can be challenged in your race run... Like I said it allows you to hit the next section far quicker...

[Deniss]

There Is Nothing Hard About That Rock Garden !

[fleshbone]

I like it,though i liked the drop.I'm in it for my bike to last.There were some times coming off that drop were i thought my bike got munted.Either way i'd still ride that track with or with out the wood.

[Squidly Didly]

Well I guess we were lucky that only afew specators and no media showed up. You can be challenged in your race run... Like I said it allows you to hit the next section far quicker...
Are you running out of ammo to argue with? Seriously, the next section of track is downhill and doesn't need a fast run in to pick up speed. You've ridden there more than enough to know that most riders brake in that section.

Maybe you should've stuck with the erosion issue as I'd have a lot more respect for this bridge/ramp if it was put in for this reason.

[fleshbone]

Why was it put in? As last time i was there(start of the year) it was eroded some and there was potential for damaged bikes and carnage(which is all apart of riding,and as you said makes it challenging).As the fact of it allows you to go faster into the section i found that you could get enough speed into that rock fire road as it was,just meant you needed to go that bit harder.

As i said before i like it now but was happy enough riding it as it was.

But as any track does,it eventually erodes away and i guess this increased the longevity of the track and caused less injury.(if any of this makes sense :confused:)

[johnny]

Can some one post some pics so I can see exactly where we are talking about? I seriously hope it's not what I'm thinking!

[intense jonoooo]

Well I guess we were lucky that only afew specators and no media showed up. You can be challenged in your race run... Like I said it allows you to hit the next section far quicker...

you are a gronk!

[fleshbone]

Well it has wood http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/whizkidz/NEW%20CCOMTB%20DH%20Section/2007/CCOMTB%2019th%20August%202007/711.jpg

[johnny]

You're shitting me??!!

No way, sorry, but that seriously sucks balls. That's got Manly Damn written all over it.

A roll down on a rock garden. Not what I'd call DH-esque.

As Squid said, the B-line is now the fastest. That's antithetic to the spirit of the sport.

[the_ginge]

I agree with Squidly and Johnny, the only challenge of the track has been taken away, we might have to be careful now, and watch out for XC riders riding up the rock garden, if any one was having difficulty rider off a 3ft drop, i might recomend taking up ping pong, i heard that is a non contact sport, and while im here.

Im on farkin, hahaha

[Squidly Didly]

if any one was having difficulty rider off a 3ft drop, i might recomend taking up ping pong, i heard that is a non contact sport
You shouldn't talk about Wayno (http://files.farkin.net/wayno_ourimbah.wmv) like that Ginge

[the_ginge]

See if Wayno had the bridge, he would of drifted a bit further down, and hit the tree, so not having the bridge saved him from coughing bark up for a week.

[Squidly Didly]

So you reckon Wayno ordered in the bridge after having that fall? He did remove the cool pallet jump thingo over the rock on the old track after breaking his collarbone on it!

I still luv ya Wayno :D

[DH_Freak]

even after all the bitching and negative comments im going to say that i like it....it not only does it let you exit the rock garden faster but as stated previously it does save some aching off that drop...i like it both ways but i enjoy riding it with the roll in..and to those who think that it takes out the only challenging part on the track but then say "its only a 3ft drop so why did you put the roll in there?"
think about what your going to say before you write it. ALOT of hard work was put into this roll in by Pendo and Damo and if Wayno approved it, its gotta be decent..be thankful that there is a track there....
happy riding....
Lata.
Reeco. :)

[Squidly Didly]

it does save some aching off that drop...
That's because it's a downhill track Reece and you do it on a hardtail! Of course you're gonna bloody ache off it with the bike you do it on.
ALOT of hard work was put into this roll in by Pendo and Damo and if Wayno approved it, its gotta be decent..be thankful that there is a track there....
So did Pendo, Damo, Wayno say why it was put in? Not an attack, I'm just curious to know their reasons behind it whether it be erosion, smoothness, faster or other?

[DH_Freak]

to be honest im unsure of why they put it in...but props to Wayno for approving it..i think its rad..and alot of positive comments were passed around at the race today about it too..it makes that section of the trail ALOT funner and more enjoyable.
also...Squid it doesn't matter what bike your riding in downhill haha..STP's are RADFORCE!

[SLEDGER]

I truely thank all who worked on the track to get it back to a ridable condition after the June long wekend storms. Today's race was dry & fast for the first run as for the pallet/ramp at bottom of the rock gardens it is heaps faster however I would be happy if it was returned to the way it was. I believe the track has been robbed of a quality DH feature.

I am a carpenter & I think whoever built the ramp did a dam fine job of it !!!!

[DH_Freak]

[QUOTE=SLEDGER;1077192I believe the track has been robbed of a quality DH feature.

[/QUOTE]

ROBBED OF A QUALITY DOWNHILL FEATURE!?!? it was a 2ft drop to flat...it was not that hard, and it makes it alot faster...and downhill is all about SPEED and preciseness.

[Squidly Didly]

ROBBED OF A QUALITY DOWNHILL FEATURE!?!? it was a 2ft drop to flat...it was not that hard, and it makes it alot faster...and downhill is all about SPEED and preciseness.
It's also about skill too Reece. If all we wanted was speed, then why not race down the fireroad. Hell lets go to the next level of extreme by throwing on some lycras and hitting up a fast road descent on some 700c's.

If indeed it was Wayno, Damo, Pendo behind it than so be it as it's they're track and they put in a fuckload of effort in maintaining it. I'll continue to head up there for the occasional race but I still think it's a shame we're bringing in more man-made stuff into a discipline that is best ridden natural.

[SLEDGER]

you are 100% right reece however I believe it was a feature that made the Ourimbah DH rock gardens respected & if you hit it right it is a little bigger than two foot try four to five foot.

[DH_Freak]

yeh it was a challenging thing but only one of many challenging sections, like the steep shute, the off camber, the A line rock drop, the rock garden itself, the 2 log drops...all these sections are just as, or even more challenging than the next..if you were to turn up to the race for your first time with the wooden roll-out there, you wouldnt notice that there should be a drop there.
Squid and as much as you dream of wearing lycra and going down a tarmac road on a 700c im sorry i just CAN NOT ALLOW THAT...im sure many people will agree....haha..
im off Lata..
Reece.

[daddyrat]

well not only does it look bad and as if it doesn't belong but i reckon it was also unnecessary. iam turning 45 and i would ride that section any time.i quite liked it and it was definitely a highlight of the top section.shame i'd say

[Wayno]

It was purely put in to make me happy as I am king and get what I want!
No I'm sorry we put a "man made object" in a "man made track" that gets eroded by nature and bicycles. I don't like that shit either but if we want the track to last we are going to have to do things that some people like and some people hate. But I tell you what coming out of the rock garden is so much faster now. And all of that you that left because of the rain you missed out, that was so much fun.

[Rutter]

The track had been beat up, rutter and someone moved the rock which meant you couldn't drop it aswell, it was basically a huck to flat which was very unsmooth. I think all the riders agree'd that the wooden roll-in made the track far better.

Btw if you mean me i dont live in ourinbah or anywhere around their for that matter, im up in brissy are you sure you have the right person?

[Squidly Didly]

No I'm sorry we put a "man made object" in a "man made track" that gets eroded by nature and bicycles. I don't like that shit either but if we want the track to last we are going to have to do things that some people like and some people hate.
You know what I mean by man made Wayno.

Not trying to be a smart arse (ok that's a lie), but does this mean all eroded bits of DH tracks should be solved with this solution? One could argue that at the rate we're going in a few years time we'll all be riding tracks littered with wooden bridges.

[Wayno]

Squid I know what you mean as I said before I don't want timber in the track but somtimes it is an evil nesesity.
The track has been hammered after the storms the big corner before the 1st log drop has turned to poo at the moment the rest of the track is just a bunch of patch work a bit like the Pacific HWY. We had to do somthing and that was the consenus, It may get moved it may stay, but when there was only 4 of us working on the track (3 members and one random rider who uses the track) we did what we thought best to prolong the track. One of my all time favourite sayings is "build a bridge and get over it" If you don't like what we do come next time when we have build day give us your 2 cents we will take it into consideration and then discard it LOL but seriously we like help and welcome it with open arms

[Squidly Didly]

Fair call.

On the topic of turning up and giving my 2c, can you post up when the club will be having its next general meeting. I may as well put this membership card into use and join in on the lobbying for an alternative track so we can let the current one have a rest as it seems we've hit a critical point with it.

[Wayno]

You shouldn't talk about Wayno (http://files.farkin.net/wayno_ourimbah.wmv) like that Ginge

That video is so funny

[scblack]

Why does anyone want or need a ramp at that point?

Its not a big drop and you can roll it if you want.....

[Dozer]

I understand why it was built, good to see some forward planning.
However, it would've been better if the rock was filed back and small rocks placed at the base so you could roll of it with compressing your forks an extra inch................:p
Put a small kicker just before the timber thingo and see how many people jump over the timber altogether, that'll make it necesary to remove the timber thingo then.;)

[tranceup]

yeah i gotta say i had only just worked up to doing that section with any kinda commitment the last time i was down there ( i ride a trance by the way). It was a challenge (for me) and it felt good to get through it, shame to see it go but im sure i will enjoy the smoother ride on the new mod.

[johnny]

yeh it was a challenging thing but only one of many challenging sections, like the steep shute, the off camber, the A line rock drop, the rock garden itself, the 2 log drops...all these sections are just as, or even more challenging than the next..You're kidding me, right?!

It was purely put in to make me happy as I am king and get what I want!
No I'm sorry we put a "man made object" in a "man made track" that gets eroded by nature and bicycles. I don't like that shit either but if we want the track to last we are going to have to do things that some people like and some people hate. But I tell you what coming out of the rock garden is so much faster now. And all of that you that left because of the rain you missed out, that was so much fun.Yeah, fair call. That's a point that I will definately concede too.

Comments from some one who will probably never ride the track again anyway....

[mullan2304]

Makes it a bit safer I guess. I snapped my medial meniscus coming out of the garden last time that I rode it. Should be interesting to see the change in person

[Fergus Burger]

It must be a nasty rock garden if that has to be put in?

Is there any other pics that show it better??